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Old 01-12-2013, 04:16 AM   #121 (permalink)
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I don't think the two are even remotely comparable aside from them being booked as unstoppable monsters, and even there Goldberg was booked better. Goldberg was like Brock Lesnar in that he had the great combination of strength, size, speed, and crazy ferocity in everything that he did. I like those matches with Glacier where Golberg would casually dodge and flip over Glacier's kicks and then just smack him down the ground.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:01 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:48 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Default Re: Explain how Goldberg is still awesome and Ryback sucks?

Goldberg had :
1) Charisma
2) Strenght
3) Speed
4) Devistating Powermoves
5) Cardio
And he could actually sell a move unlike Ryback who has
1) Strenght
And that's it i guess
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:18 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Default Re: Explain how Goldberg is still awesome and Ryback sucks?

goldberg also used alot of mma submission holds and kick and backflips. canīt see ryback do that besides that awkward big boot he does.
The only thing Goldberg lacked was some more ringpsychology and timing. He sometimes ran out of gas when he had to do longer matches, but hey at the pace he wrestles itīs fucking exhausting. All that shit can be covered up with good booking though.

But I have the feeling Ryback does even need more of that protective booking to cover up his massive flaws. The guy who got the most of that was Ultimate Warrior. Nobody can top him.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #125 (permalink)
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i think theres a lot of nostalgia with Goldberg, but i think that ryback is a better in-ring wrestler. There was also a mystique/aura about Golderg that got you on the edge of your seat like 'someones getting killed'(except Nash)Plus his Jackhammer on The Giant blew the roof off the arena...he was a freak who came along at the right place right time
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:08 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Well Goldberg had the IT factor and was a HUGE draw in wcw. Whereas ryback just sucks and will never amount to anything.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:19 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Default Re: Explain how Goldberg is still awesome and Ryback sucks?

The thing with Goldberg that he was in a restricted role. He barely talked, yet his character was hot as anybodys. He didn't wrestle technically well or have many moves, his matches were still exciting. He did a whole lot with pure minimalism and succeeded. His whole in-ring work was 100% dependant on heavily refined storytelling, at no point, during no single match was he made out to look weak, even when selling, he was explosive at every second. He didn't make epic comebacks, even against bigger guy, instead he toughened up and stroke like a pitbull, he literally shaked off the pain with his head movement for emphasis, not to mention he was always displayed as a guy who would overpower other wrestlers of the same size with ease. With Ryback, he just follows the bland formula of how bigger guys are supposed to act. It's little things like these that make a huge difference.

Same goes for promos/backstage segments. While Goldberg would barely talk, he would show intensity and he was always short and to the point. He wasn't scowling and doing pissed faces for a minute and letting other guys speak for hours before doing anything, he was fast to explode in action when another guy was in the ring. Ryback just hesitates WAAAAY too much in comparision, he starts attacking like any other wrestler, except he is beeing marketed as not beeing every other wrestler. He is far more passive agressive than an all out badass.

That said, Ryback doesn't "suck", he's just a victim of duplicating an art that was already mastered by another wrestler from the past, and he's never going to reach that level, it's simply a ridiculously high standard to match.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:21 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Default Re: Explain how Goldberg is still awesome and Ryback sucks?

For his debut you just knew Goldberg was the real deal. Ryback just seems another component of the never-ending line of solid WWE big-man wrestlers.

What Goldberg had you cannot teach. It's hard to put into words how over Goldberg actually was. Unfortunatly this has led to Ryback being perhaps unfairly measured against this gold standard.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:32 PM   #129 (permalink)
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goldberg also used alot of mma submission holds and kick and backflips. canīt see ryback do that besides that awkward big boot he does.
The only thing Goldberg lacked was some more ringpsychology and timing. He sometimes ran out of gas when he had to do longer matches, but hey at the pace he wrestles itīs fucking exhausting. All that shit can be covered up with good booking though.

But I have the feeling Ryback does even need more of that protective booking to cover up his massive flaws. The guy who got the most of that was Ultimate Warrior. Nobody can top him.

Can't give this guy any more rep, but here I thought I was the only one that noticed the akward big boot lol.

I will say though that they do give Ryback a lot of good protection already, his main event matches generally aren't that long, and if they are long, it's because they have him in some sort of team match, and give him a good long breather in the middle of it.

Can't hate on Ryback though, this guy arguably is having the first interesting feud with Punk (DB and Jericho would be great feuds if they actually built the guys up properly as threats), he brings a lot to the table and is making things interesting. Still though, his rise to the top seems to have happened a little too fast and he seems unsafe in the ring.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:38 PM   #130 (permalink)
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Goldberg's intensity was through the roof. Plus he had that aura about him and his power moves looked sick. Ryback's intensity seems forced, he doesn't have that aura, and he doesn't have any sick power moves with the exception of that powerbomb he did on Punk a few months back.
Very good point the problem with Ryback is he is being shoved into the public. A star is best to flourish on its own and be recognized. CM Punk was started to hit the big picture I believe 2011 and got hot on the segment that he would quit and uncovering the WWE etc. As for Ryback he comes and beats a bunch of jobbers and than gets a title shot without building a reputable scenario. Its just Ryback at he moment doesn't have the "it" factor which Goldberg (I didn't see him in WCW) when he hit the WWE he just had it in him he was a threat and wasn't forced he made an impact.
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