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Old 01-03-2013, 07:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Excellent read. You clearly put some thought into this, I always enjoy seeing certain aspects of wrestling and its characters analyzed.

After reading this though, I ask the question of who is the most dangerous one. Sure as a unit they are lethal, a pack of wolves. But individually who is the one to watch out for?

The intelligent one who thinks before he acts?

The cold hearted behemoth with this unstoppable power?

Or the psycho who is so hard to pin down both physically and mentally?
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Great post and very nice read. Rep'd!

Would be awesome to see this play out. Can't wait for what the Shield has in store in 2013.
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Excellent read. You clearly put some thought into this, I always enjoy seeing certain aspects of wrestling and its characters analyzed.

After reading this though, I ask the question of who is the most dangerous one. Sure as a unit they are lethal, a pack of wolves. But individually who is the one to watch out for?

The intelligent one who thinks before he acts?

The cold hearted behemoth with this unstoppable power?

Or the psycho who is so hard to pin down both physically and mentally?
Sounds like Scissors, Paper, Rock to me.
Intelligence outsmarts Behemoth (analyzing weak points, strategic preparation for the fight)
Behemoth smashes Psycho (unpredictable? don't care, kick his face in)
Psycho confuses Intelligence (if you're random, you can't be analyzed)
And that's essencialy what this whole Shield setting implies, making it really beautiful in a very subtle way.

I wonder, who will be their Lizard and their Spock
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(THREE) The last option, and my personal favorite, leaves us with a similar resolution as #2: Ambrose is left all alone to carry on The Shield's mission, since it was, after all, his emotional love-child from the start - but how we get to that point is a little different.

Instead of Reigns and Rollins leaving separately, Ambrose goes progressively bonkers. Week-by-week, The Shield continue to attack certain wrestlers, but Ambrose's thirst for justice takes him to ever-greater heights of violence. He begins to seriously injure wrestlers and/or otherwise attempt to end their careers.

Backstage, Ambrose constantly harps on the two men that they need to step things up a notch, that in order to achieve their purpose they must be more aggressive, more merciless, more willing to do anything and everything. They must be "ever vigilant."

The two eventually turn on him when he has a chair around some popular face wrestler's neck and is going to break it by jumping off the turnbuckle. Reigns and Rollins get in his way and tell him they won't let him do it, turning them face in the process. Ambrose goes nuts and attacks them. That's key. They don't attack Ambrose. He descends the turnbuckles and decides himself to deliver the first blow.

He puts up a great fight and looks positively insane, but the other two use the numbers game to eventually get the better of him, putting him through an announce table with a double powerbomb and, looking very emotional and distraught, they proceed into the ring to help the face wrestler to his feet, and assist him up the ramp.

The camera zooms on Ambrose who slowly begins to crawl towards the ring, looking "like a man possessed", as the cliché goes.

Reigns and Rollins, citing The Shield's corruption at the hands of the maniacal man, continue in the next few weeks with a new mission of their own: stop Dean Ambrose. Rollins explains the new mission to everyone, while Reigns acts as enforcer. This leaves Ambrose as the outcast; the loner; the "lone wolf"; the shadowy figure in the dark; the violent, misunderstood misfit who acts as his own messiah; etcetera.

It continues the metaphor, with the soul long outliving the body and the mind; and it also adds to the soon-to-be legend of the madman, Dean Ambrose: "I am The Shield!"
What have I just read. *bows down*
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Sounds like Scissors, Paper, Rock to me.
Intelligence outsmarts Behemoth (analyzing weak points, strategic preparation for the fight)
Behemoth smashes Psycho (unpredictable? don't care, kick his face in)
Psycho confuses Intelligence (if you're random, you can't be analyzed)
And that's essencialy what this whole Shield setting implies, making it really beautiful in a very subtle way.

I wonder, who will be their Lizard and their Spock
It seems simple, but like the OP said Dean takes a lot of punishment and yet still continues to get back up. I'm getting that masochist vibe from him, if I'm right then for someone like Reigns he wouldn't be able to beat him.

It's like the interrogation scene in Dark Knight, Batman could beat Joker to a bloody pulp, but in the end it wouldn't matter because Joker was never affected by it.

Hard to defeat a guy who takes joy in the pain of others and himself. Combine that with his unstable personality and you got a human question mark. How do you come out on top with someone like that?
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It seems simple, but like the OP said Dean takes a lot of punishment and yet still continues to get back up. I'm getting that masochist vibe from him, if I'm right then for someone like Reigns he wouldn't be able to beat him.

It's like the interrogation scene in Dark Knight, Batman could beat Joker to a bloody pulp, but in the end it wouldn't matter because Joker was never affected by it.

Hard to defeat a guy who takes joy in the pain of others and himself. Combine that with his unstable personality and you got a human question mark. How do you come out on top with someone like that?
You create a hot, edgy angle called "Reigns has got a gun!"
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:44 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Wow.Truly an amazing read.I really enjoyed reading this.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:25 AM   #28 (permalink)
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This is the greatest thread ever made on this entire forum. Props.

But regarding the topic, what If the audience don't respond to the face-turn and the so called heel-turns? Sure the most members here have an "open-mind" about the current situation of the WWE but what about the children and soccer moms? What about the smarks that go to the arena, pay their hard-earned money just to chant "CENA SUCKS" "GOOOLDBERG" and "MOXLEY"?

As you see the current feud that's going on between The Shield and Ryback, there are too many factors involved. Didn't they "injure" Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara? Didn't they take a beating from a returning Randy Orton, Sheamus and Ryback which would probably lead to a 3-man tag match(or some other stipulation) at the Royal Rumble?

These guys put up a 5 Star match at the TLC but do you really think that should be repeated, against different opponents?

Also these guys have attacked almost everyone's favorite heroes-Sheamus, Cena, Randy(is yet to come), Ryback, Daniel Bryan and Kane, why would an audience as take a bad-ass Roman Reigns as the face? Jesus christ these are the same people who voted Ryback is a much better opponent to face Rock at the Rumble.

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Mostly, where do their opponents go from here? Where does Ryback go after this feud is done. I'm not a Ryback hater but these 3 guys have the talent and power to outshine Ryback in every single way. Are Sin Cara and Mysterio going to take revenge on Shield?

Also WWE isn't big enough for these guys, We have Punk, who is mostly likely leaving in a year or two, We have Sheamus who is the #2 face in the company and had the World Title glued to his forehead. We have Cena, who most likely isn't going away for a long time, and we have Daniel Bryan whose talent is far more greater than the most WWE Main Roster. Where does Big E. Langston and Ryback go? They basically have the same physical shape and fans will most likely respond to one of them, so what will they have to do with these guys?

Also regarding the NXT guys. We have the likes of Kassius Ohno, Cory Graves and Bo Dallas who are ALL ready to get called up to the roster, where is their place in the roster? These guys are all main event quality but we're stuck with Big Show and Sheamus and Ryback and Cena.

If the WWE truly wants to make these guys(including the NXT guys) future main event stars and make money off of them, I suggest they really need to work hard to pave the way for these guys. They've already wasted 7-years on Cena being the superman.


Special mentions to TALENTED guys that we don't know what WWE is going to do with them:

-Damien Sandow
-Dolph Ziggler
-Tyson Kidd
-Johnny Curtis
-Cody Rhodes
-Wade Barrett
-Antonio Cesaro
-Alex Riley
-Curt Hawkings
-Darren Young
-The Usos
-Michael Mcgillicutty

Hint: Being a mid-carder forever isn't the answer.

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awesome read thx you for sharing
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First off, I would like to say that this was a great read and very much worth it. We definitely need more of this on the Forum. It's people like the OP that has potential to really make this section interesting.

I won't take away from anything out of the original post, I think it's perfect as it is. Instead, l thought it'd be interesting to add my own perpective on where they could take things following the conclusion of your post. I'll try my best to keep it concise..






Dean Ambrose's unorthodox conduct should prove to be difficult for WWE management, Dean would do whatever he wanted on the show, breaking PG in-house rules, walk-in on matches and cause chaos. Not have the slightest care of the concequences. This could lead into HHH coming in to reason with him, akin to the CM Punk thing, only this time a much more confident HHH that has no fear in exercising his authority on Ambrose, turning himself into an unpopular figure with the fans. Where HHH never embraced the concept of turning heel during the Punk angle, he could use this angle to transition himself into the power hungry boss that he's destined to play. Now would be a good time to go back to the drawing board and entertain a subtle turn.

While this is happening, they should spend the time building up Damien Sandow as a more realistic extention of his current character, a ruthless intellectual. They can subtly transition his demeanor from "Intellectual Savior to the masses" to a self-centered megalomaniac confident enough to grab the brass ring and hold onto it for the sake of a "better WWE". What I envision is a sort of hybrid between Aaron "the Idol" Stevens and Damien Sandow, giving him a look that is less quirky, and much more main event worthy. Think HHH from the Evolution days, only with a slightly different drive. Damien has the size, the mic skills, the talent and the tenacity to build upon and evolve himself to his fullest potential as a true main-event heel for years to come.

The proposed Dean Ambrose tweener turn would compliment the Sandow character brilliantly and vice versa. What better way to establish a misfit than to pair him against a man that accentuates the type of personality that people tend to hate?

For this to work, Damien would first have to get out of the rut he's currently in. Say he'd have one last meaningful feud with an up and coming babyface as his current gimmick, have him come out the loser of that feud in embarassing fashion, and write him off TV for a few weeks. Weeks later, you bring Damien back and have him ANNIHILATE said babyface to the point of being stretchered. Sandow however would be sporting a black shirt, jeans and a trimmed beard to establish that this is a new Sandow with a mean streak. The next night on RAW, Sandow comes out and cuts a promo to the extent of:




"For 14 years, I have done what was necessary to make it to where I needed to be. On my journey to the top, I had to conform like all of you to the status quo that plagues all facets of society. For as long as I can remember , I 've went down the primrose path of decensy and eloquence, and set a standard for myself to achieve greatness in the wrestling profession. As I moved up the ladder, I had to perverse myself in the minor leagues as the only way for me to make it in this corrupt system, I had to fight it from within.

When I finally got the call to come to the WWE, I pleaded management to let me be Damien Sandow, to be the man that would lead the way, set the example and get this company out of the tretches it had fallen into. I tried my best to convey reason into you miscreants, but I ultimately became your Circus Monkey for you to shoot your proverbial wad all over. My crucial message became your entertainment, and the entertainment of those in the back that never saw the natural greatness they had infront of them. All this is not only telling of you people, but also toward what I have done wrong.

I have been blinded by my efforts to save you people from your own simple mindedness and corrupt moral values, now realising that you people cannot be changed. All this time, I have done nothing to advance my goals, to cement my legacy, to quench my vehement lust of sitting at the very top of the proverbial Mountain as this company's champion, and as the standard bearer that this sport desperately deserves.

From this day forward, we play by a new set of rules, I open doors and set standards, I eliminate the filth. By the time this is over, you will no longer be mocking the name of Damien Sandow, you will be worshipping the ground he walks on.

You're welcome."




Shortly after this promo, you have a face off between HHH and Ambrose where HHH is evaluating Ambrose's job. Ambrose not showing a care in the world only frustrates HHH even more. HHH knows the value of an Ambrose, but wants him to conform. HHH could cut a heelish promo on Ambrose about "who the boss is around here" and that Ambrose is just another guy he can make or break at his will. After HHH successfully gets the crowd to boo him and cheer Ambrose, and after a moment where HHH and Ambrose quietly stare each other down, Ambrose smiles and slaps HHH across the face. Instead of retaliating, HHH walks out of the ring and stands next to the announcer's table with his arms crossed. Out comes the Shield to attack Ambrose, but Ambrose brought a Kendo stick and uses it to keep them at bay. Just when you think that Ambrose has the upper hand, out comes Damien Sandow out of nowhere to attack Ambrose in vicious fashion to the point where he bloodies him. Instantly putting all the focus on himself.

This would set up the Ambrose/Sandow saga. The eloquent yet ruthless megalomaic against the loose canon outcast. During this time, the HHH/Ambrose/Shield saga would still be developing, you could even put the WWE title on Sandow and officially allign him with HHH as his modern-day corporate champion. You could add a few more Shield members to serve as enforcers to HHH and Sandow. The feud could go in the direction of Ambrose overcoming the odds and finally getting a shot at Ambrose for the title which would culminate at a big PPV.

This would cement both Ambrose as a monster babyface, and Sandow as a monster heel. It would be completely fresh for the main event scene, and it'd be a fantastic way to put the stamp on a brand new era. Of course, there's many ways you could go about doing this, it could involve a multitude of guy, but this is just one unique perspective.


Hopefully this thread doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
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