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Old 01-01-2013, 03:09 PM   #51 (permalink)
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WWE in early-mid 90s was much worse. People just bash WWE today cause this is what they're watching NOW. And they have great eras in the past to compare to. In early-mid 90s, they had no attitude era or anything to compare to(so they thought at the time that wrestlings peak was lower than what it turned out to be)

Just watch "are you serious" and look at all those terrible gimmicks from WWE/WCW in the early 90s.
The midcard had a lot of garbage back then, but the main event scene had much better talent

Hart
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Taker
Vader
Austin
Foley

Every one of those guys could work and they had awesome characters.

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Old 01-01-2013, 03:14 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Between 93 and 96 was way worse. The 94 steroid controversy and WCW kicking WWF's ass took a huge toll on the WWF product. With WCW gutting WWE's top talent from the early 90s put them behind the 8 ball as well.

In retrospect many of us long time fans look back at this era with fond memories since it's what many of us grew up with, but in reality it wasn't that good.
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:53 PM   #53 (permalink)
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The midcard had a lot of garbage back then, but the main event scene had much better talent

Hart
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Taker
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Austin
Foley

Every one of those guys could work and they had awesome characters.
Foley,Austin weren't part of WWE in 91,92,93,94 or 95(until about December)

I think Undertaker is more of those "hindsight" type of things, when you think of his greatest moments and matches, how many happened before 1996? His career overall was great, and he's had many great moments and matches, so because of how good the rest of his career was, it seems like the early part of his career is probably the worst part of his career,and that worst part happened in early 90s.

Early 90s had many terrible gimmicks and overall the show wasn't great. Only reason it isn't as noticed as WWE today is cause of exposure. WWE today has about 5 hours of main TV shows a week. Back then, it was just the 1 hour Raws. Imagine the quality of Raw today if it was just 1 hour. Seeing Punk,Kane,Bryan,Cena,Ryback,Barrett,Cesaro,Ziggler and all of those guys, for only 5-10 mins a week, it'd make their lasting appeal so much longer.
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In retrospect many of us long time fans look back at this era with fond memories since it's what many of us grew up with, but in reality it wasn't that good.
Exactly. Same applies to everything. I'm sure there's things like TV Shows, songs, sports players,sports jerseys/logos that people know they aren't that good, but still love them ,just cause of the memories they provide.
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Yes this is absolutely the worst it's ever been. You don't have a "transitional period" that lasts almost 10 years.

Pro Wrestling was in a really weird spot circa 1993-1995 because both companies were at a creative standstill. The WWF was business as usual but was lacking starpower after Hogan's departure, and WCW was having Hogan square off against the fucking legion Dungeon Of Doom. Pro Wrestling as we knew it had ran it's course and it needed to rejuvenated. The nWo revitalized the business in '96 and by mid to late '97 the WWF was doing the same. From that point on it was all uphill.

So once again we see the WWE at a creative standstill struggling to find ways to pump life back into the product... except they don't look like they're trying to pump life back into the product. In fact they seem perfectly content with maintaining the status quo and delivering the same uninspired shlock week in and week out. There is no competition so there is no incentive to get better. This is the reality folks. This isn't a transitional period because that would imply better times are ahead. No... this is the WWE as we know it. A giant commercial for itself.

Making sure you know how to download the WWE app is more important than you knowing why _____ is a face now and not a heel. Selling you a DVD celebrating their glorious past is more important than setting up new superstars for the future. Getting a random chant over is more important than being charismatic and memorable. This is the WWE. It's THAT bad.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:10 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Yes this is absolutely the worst it's ever been. You don't have a "transitional period" that lasts almost 10 years.
It hasn't lasted 10 years....

2002-2004 was the post monday night war era(aka "Ruthless Aggression era"), 2005-2007 was the era that was supposed to be the new era in WWE(having torch passed from the monday night war stars to the next generation of stars,but that "era" failed) and 2008-present is really the "transition era".

They're basically in rebuilding mode. Look at sports, when teams go into rebuilding mode, it's usually after having lots of success in the past. And once going into rebuilding mode, it takes a number of year to build themselves back up to a real successful team again.
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It's now a new year and I'd like to be optimistic but then I read OP's post and realized that when Wrestlemania is over this year, things are gonna be as bad as last year with no star power, interesting storylines and boring title reigns like Punk's.

People say 2009 and 2007 were worse. I can understand the 2007 hate due to the Benoit tragedy and all the injuries but I can't agree at all on either cases. In 07, we had some good stuff like Cena's ring work being great, Randy Orton's permanent main event rise, a good first half and other good stuff like Taker and Batista's series of matches. 2009 was far better than now because at least Smackdown was good and Raw had Randy Orton as top heel making it automatically better than 2012.

So yeah, we are in the worst period in WWE history ever.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:52 PM   #58 (permalink)
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WWE have been in a big lull phase for quite some time now. There are a lot of things that I could label as factors as to why: WCW & ECW dying, ROH becoming so poor, switching from OVW to FCW for developmental, going public with the company on the stock exchange, The Rock & Austin & Brock leaving, etc. There are a lot of things (much like a lot of reasons why WCW died).

To me, it's to the point where there are so many things wrong with the current product that now little things greatly irk me more than they should because the shit heap is now so large. A recent example would be how they do the camera crowd shot during backstage promos. Or how since moving to 3-hours that somehow equates to LESS entrances for the wrestlers.

The actual wrestling itself I would say has improved. However none of the matches mean anything, have any heat, barely have any storyline & wins/losses & titles don't matter, so who cares? Wade Barrett just won the Intercontinental Title from Kofi Kingston but no one gives a shit.

I used to anticipate shows, have fun watching the shows & then look forward to the conversation with friends about the shows the next day. Now I don't care if I miss the shows & sometimes actively seek out other options instead, I have no anticipation whatsoever & when talking with friends that are still wrestling fans, we talk about when it used to be good or all the current problems. It's depressing.

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It hasn't lasted 10 years....

2002-2004 was the post monday night war era(aka "Ruthless Aggression era"), 2005-2007 was the era that was supposed to be the new era in WWE(having torch passed from the monday night war stars to the next generation of stars,but that "era" failed) and 2008-present is really the "transition era".
I agree with Berserker's Beard because those "eras" sucked shit too. Who the fuck cares about Edge, of all people, being a 700 time world champion & Hall of Famer? Give me a fucking break.

March 26, 2001 was when WCW died. It's no coincidence that including the Alliance "Invasion" bombing, that is when wrestling started to really suck. That led us right into the decade long "John Cena Era." Which has sucked. For ten years.

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yep it is
how can the show be good when you have a 400+ days champion who draw's worst than diesel in 1995
a 400+ day champion who brought me back to watching WWE and pro wrestling. That, by all definitions of the word, makes him a draw.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:35 PM   #60 (permalink)
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1995 was pretty bad. And you know if your title reign starts by winning it at a house show that it isn't going to be too good, lol.

2001 was a pretty disappointing year. Sure Wrestlemania 17 was good, but the invasion angle completely screwed up that year. Not sure how you could screw up WCW vs WWF but they did.

2012 has been pretty bad, probably not as bad as 2011, but still pretty damn bad. The problem about now is that there are such easy things they could do to make it better, like logical story lines, but it just seems like they can't be arsed. The rivalries have been terrible, and I don't consider a rivalry to be, guy A beats guy B every week for 3 weeks leading up to a PPV, resulting in guy A beating guy B at the PPV, especially when it is a face doing it.
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