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Old 12-04-2012, 08:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know this may sound a bit off topic, but I just wanted to know how everyone else thought about this matter. John Cena by far is the most popular name in all of wrestling, and right now I feel like he is the odd man out. What? Who else is on his level? At the next PPV he is going one on one with Dolph Ziggler. Nothing against Ziggler, but he is no where near the level of talent of Cena. Yes, Dolph could out wrestle John Cena every day of the week, but we all know wrestling just isn't about "wrestling". Take nothing away from Dolph because he is talented, but he just isn't there yet.I just don't see how Vince thinks Dolph vs Cena makes any sense.

Lets be honest you could throw Cena up against anyone, and fans will still likely buy the PPV. However, I just feel like Cena is the odd man out here as he is the only true "Larger than life" talent in the WWE. The Undertaker is a big name, but he isn't full time. HHH is no longer wrestling. We basically should be thankful The Rock came back just to remind us that Cena isn't the only "Larger than life" talent around. It's probably the reason Cena loss to The Rock because he is the biggest talent outside of Cena relative to the WWE. Lets be honest The Rock is the next biggest name associated with the WWE next to Cena. I know plenty of people who don't watch wrestling, but know who The Rock is over CM Punk, Big Show, Orton, Sheamus, and certainly Dolph Ziggler.

Even during the WWE's slow years in the 90's before the Attitude Era you still had stars like Hunter-Hearst Helmsley, HBK, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Piper, Mr.Perfect, and Davey Boy Smith, etc. Those men are all legends practically. Yes, you still had stars like Tugboat, The Zodiac, Koko B Ware, The Barbarian, and many others, but there were still future hall of fame talent there as well. You even had Savage for some of that time while Hogan was gone. Not to mention Doink, Bigelow, and plenty of legit tag teams like The Steiners, LOD, and even the Nasty Boys. The top guys actually had others who were legit like Piper, Perfect, Rick Rude, Bret Hart, HBK, and Savage. I'm not saying the WWE needs to go back to gimmicks, but I am merely pointing out the level of talent that there was to compete with. CM Punk is close to Cena, but that's not equal to.

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Old 12-04-2012, 08:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, they have failed to create new stars and elevate them to the true megastar level in the past years. Maybe I'm too optimistic here, but right now I feel the "Cena era" where he was the only megastar and WWE wanted noone to get to his level is slowly coming to an end. I think they realized they just have to start ending elevating stars to the top level. Cena's not getting younger. He's not had many injuries but they will probably get more frequent as he approaches 40 years of age. You imo just can't continue relying purely on him. Punk already is a huge star. They'd be out of their mind if they don't go all the way in trying to elevate guys like Ryback, Ziggler, Sandow, Sheamus, Cesaro to true megastar status. I feel they will try and I think better times lie ahead as the years of the one man Cena show are finally coming to an end.
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Agreed. But not sure how to change that. You can't create a larger than life star from DZ, Punk, or Wade. Neither the part-timer the Rock. It is funny how TNA has at least 5 of those Larger than Life stars and TNA has only Cena.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Agreed. But not sure how to change that. You can't create a larger than life star from DZ, Punk, or Wade. Neither the part-timer the Rock. It is funny how TNA has at least 5 of those Larger than Life stars and TNA has only Cena.
I disagree. Punk could have been huge, but they ruined him by turning him heel/face to often without actually having a credible for him either. I'm no TNA fan, but I appreciate some of the talent they have. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Angle, RVD, Robert Roode, or James Storm could be in the WWE right now. These men have been wrestling for over a decade a piece, and have established themselves outside of the WWE(excluding Angle/RVD). The WWE needs to take a step back, and start considering signing talent that has made a name for itself. It finally dawned on them to sign "Indy" talent, and TNA hardly made them stars.

Think about what these men could have done in the WWE. Yes, Styles may be a vanilla midget, but that didn't keep Daniel, or Punk out of the WWE. The problem with the WWE is that they thought they could keep on creating top stars, but that isn't really happening. There are stars out there that they could have signed years ago, but chose not to. RVD may not be a top talent, but he defeated John Cena, they let him go. Kurt Angle wasn't the same that he once was, but he still one of the best all time. Bully Ray isn't main event material, but his character is exactly what the WWE is missing. He would have been the perfect heel for a struggling mid card, and the perfect for "bully" for Kofi to go over.

I'm not suggesting that AJ Styles, or Robert Roode would have been main event talent had they been signed by the WWE. However, I am saying that those men are more credible in my opinion than Zach Ryder, Khali, or 3MB. Styles, or Roode with their work ethic could have been top stars. I'm not saying this because they are in TNA, but merely because they are hard working talent that actually earned it, and not to say that those in the WWE haven't. However, I can't imagine Ryder going to TNA, and becoming their top champion. These men have been on television, and PPV's so it's nothing new. My point is that it may be time for the WWE to start raiding talent.
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I think Cena is just doing this minor feud to keep him on tv. I still think hes gonna do something major soon. Hes gonna most likley win the Rumble.
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Does the WWE not allow anyone to reach Cena's level or no one has the 'it factor' to reach his level?
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Does the WWE not allow anyone to reach Cena's level or no one has the 'it factor' to reach his level?
Most certainly the first. Punk should have become the new face of the company and an absolute megastar last year, but they squandered it to put HHH and Cena over (like they need it) and took the focus off Punk.

It's not like Cena is even all that entertaining. He's repetitive, pandering, irritating, and never sells any part of a feud, he just stands around acting like a 5 year old and making bad jokes. He's barely even human by now.

Of people on the roster who have the IT factor (besides Mr. ROOOOOOOOOOO) and are newer to the company than Cena, I would say CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Antonio Cesaro, Damien Sandow, Wade Barrett, Dean Ambrose and others, they all have something special about them that should let them be main event talent on par with Cena.

Cena is above the roster because they forced it to be that way, not because he's actually better than them.
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Most certainly the first. Punk should have become the new face of the company and an absolute megastar last year, but they squandered it to put HHH and Cena over (like they need it) and took the focus off Punk.

It's not like Cena is even all that entertaining. He's repetitive, pandering, irritating, and never sells any part of a feud, he just stands around acting like a 5 year old and making bad jokes. He's barely even human by now.

Of people on the roster who have the IT factor (besides Mr. ROOOOOOOOOOO) and are newer to the company than Cena, I would say CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Antonio Cesaro, Damien Sandow, Wade Barrett, Dean Ambrose and others, they all have something special about them that should let them be main event talent on par with Cena.

Cena is above the roster because they forced it to be that way, not because he's actually better than them.


Excellent post bro! Last summer Punk was the hottest thing going post AE and WWE intentionally botched his momentum to insure nobody ever overshadows Cena/HHH. People love to claim WWE ALWAYS does whats best for business, negative. They only care about there agenda then try to make it good for business.

WWE couldve had a Austin/Rock deal (on a MUCH smaller scale obviously) but instead opted to let Punk be a complete afterthought, and to make it worse let the title be an afterthought with him which should be a crime.

I remember all those years ppl use to say if there was a new hot face they could finally replace Cena and turn him heel and i kept tellin ppl that would never happen and i was right smh.
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