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Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

Can someone please explain this for me? I've read a couple of threads here for the past few days and there are a number of people putting Punk's whole career over Orton's career. They say his heel run is better than Orton's viper heel run, that Orton is a failed face. Can someone expound this further?

Some of you may be completely delusional right now. I'm not sure if you people remembered, but Orton was very over when he was a heel in 2007-2009. It's to the extent of him being cheered at by smarks and even casuals. I've heard someone comment this on a thread, and someone replied by saying "Punk is not being cheered at as a heel because he's a good enough heel to put heat over pop, he stops the pop by insulting the crowd" <--- Orton does that too, but it just doesn't work. In my opinion, Orton's heel run was even more vicious than Punk's right now. What was the best heat Punk's ever done as a heel? Want respect? Try to bring us in his straightedge society? Cheap pops like trying to revive a dead guy? Don't get me wrong, I am a Punk fan, but some of his fans just like kissing his ass to the point that they praise his current heel run even though it's not really that successful yet in giving him full heat.

The most bashed upon aspect of Orton is his current face run. Some say he has zero mic skills when in fact, he actually does have mic skills. He's actually alright in mic even in the promos he do right now. The problem is not with his ability to talk, it's with his promos. Don't you people understand that? He's not writing the scripts. Punk is not writing his scripts as well. Punk's promos consist of different various storylines. What promos do Orton have? For the past year, nothing. How the hell did this Del Rio-Orton feud start? No airtime was given for more promos. So what the hell does Orton have to talk about then? There is a reason why you people bash on his mic skills, so try to dig in deeper to that.

On the other hand, Punk's whole title run has been utter shit. No, don't you smarks tell me it's been a good run, because it was utter shit honestly. To be honest, the only time i've actually watched after Punk's promos was when he did the pipebombs and some of his current heel run. In fact, his current heel run's promos weren't as good as Orton's viper ones. Hell, Orton's 06-07 legend killer days were more entertaining than this heel run. It doesn't revolve around some shit like respect for 3 fucking months. Some of the stuff that Cena's shit promos are actually right, by the end of the day Punk will mostly be known for his Summer of Punk days. I do look after Punk's matches, but his promos these days aren't really worth watching.

My point is, I believe Orton's runs were better than what Punk's had recently, overall. I admit that Orton isn't over Punk right now, but I believe 08-10 Orton is bigger than 11-12 Punk. He's been established more than Punk is right now. Let's face it, He is more well known worldwide than Punk. Orton's face run sucks right now, but it's nothing about Orton's abilities to deliver promos. If Punk has been given the same treatment, no buildup to feuds whatsoever, I believe you people would say the same about him. To other wrestlers too, if you have no mic time or proper storylines, you'll probably be deprived of mic skills.
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

Problem is the drug & attitude problems have prevented Orton from reaching his full potential.
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

Because he has 9 world titles, pushed to death and yet he doesnt draw. The fact that even Vince gave up on him and put him on B show fighting against Barrett must tell you something.

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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

When you look at where the company expected him to be, he can be thought of as a failure. He's one of the most over people today, but at best he is an upper midcard guy with a lot of championships to his pedigree, he was supposed to be the face of the company. So you can definitely call him a failure. I wouldn't, but I can see why others would.

Also, the OP is all over the place. How do you go from asking why people think he failed to saying, "At least he's not as bad as Punk!1!1!" That's stupid, and so is your explanation as to why you think he's better.

-You say Punk will be remembered for his Summer of Punk days, and then you compliment Orton as a heel in 2008-09. Wouldn't he be remembered for his glory days as well?

-Orton got face pops as a heel in 08-09? Oh guess what, so did Punk in "The Summer of Punk"!. (now refer to my first point)

-Reviving a dead guy is desperate? How about hitting a woman? Beating up an old man? Kissing a man's wife while he is forced to watch? Isn't that just as desperate?

-Punk's title run has been shit? Maybe it's because of the way it's been booked. You did say these guys have no control over their script, they get told what to do. Punk is just doing what he's being told to do. If you can't fault Orton for doing what he's told to do, don't fault Punk for it either.

You contradicted yourself throughout your entire post. So...yeah.
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

Ortons more of a loser

He's a good looking guy, got his health, a great contract with the wwe, he's pretty much at the top of his profession, got a family, got financial security and he goes and fucks it up with drugs and a shitty attitude

A lot of people dream of having what Orton has, but he seems quite happy to piss it all away
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

Orton's not a failure. Far from it. He is infact one of the most successful post-AE.

He was meant to be the face of WWE but due to his personal issues and such, batista followed by Cena ended up becoming the top stars over him.



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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

He's not a failure. Yeah, he didn't become THE guy like Vince expected him to be in 2004 but that's due to a lot of problems. What he became, though, is one of the most successful stars after the Attitude Era along with the likes of John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar and Edge. 9 World Titles (as well as the youngest ever), Royal Rumble winner, Intercontinental Champion, Tag Team Champion and other extra stuff like being a sole survivor numerous times in the Survivor Series elimination matches he's been in. Plus he has so many memorable, classic matches with guys like Mick Foley, Cena, Christian, Benoit, HBK, HHH, Undertaker, Rey Mysterio and many more. His career has been more than great and he's far from a failure.

And for those who talk about draws, tell me who the fuck is a draw anyways? Hogan, The Rock, Austin, Cena... and there's part-timers that participate in special attraction matches like Undertaker, Lesnar and HHH today but yeah, not many can claim that so stop acting like not being a successful crossover superstar makes you a failure. If that was the case, everyone not named Hogan, Austin or The Rock would be a failure. Bullshit.
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

probably because he had everything handed to him so quickly and couldn't surpass what people thought could be beyond greatness, he seem interesting at the very beginning but he has this monotone thing to him.

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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

I think when people say it they're referring to fact he failed the reach his fullest potential due to his drug/personal problems that halted his push back in 2004. I mean, who knows how big he would be now if he didn't have those problems. But he's not a failure, the dude's a 9 time World Champion and one of the most recognizable stars in the WWE today, I don't really like Orton, but that's a fact no one can deny. I think recent comments about him being a ''failure'' is to due with his status in the WWE atm, and the fact that a 9 time World Champion has been reduced to doing jobs to the likes of Barrett, Ziggler, Del Rio and The Big Show. Orton's really fallen out of the picture as of late, and I think that's why WWE planning to re-push him again (according to some dirtsheets).
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Re: Why do people here consider Orton as a failure?

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He's not a failure. Yeah, he didn't become THE guy like Vince expected him to be in 2004 but that's due to a lot of problems. What he became, though, is one of the most successful stars after the Attitude Era along with the likes of John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar and Edge. 9 World Titles (as well as the youngest ever), Royal Rumble winner, Intercontinental Champion, Tag Team Champion and other extra stuff like being a sole survivor numerous times in the Survivor Series elimination matches he's been in. Plus he has so many memorable, classic matches with guys like Mick Foley, Cena, Christian, Benoit, HBK, HHH, Undertaker, Rey Mysterio and many more. His career has been more than great and he's far from a failure.

And for those who talk about draws, tell me who the fuck is a draw anyways? Hogan, The Rock, Austin, Cena... and there's part-timers that participate in special attraction matches like Undertaker, Lesnar and HHH today but yeah, not many can claim that so stop acting like not being a successful crossover superstar makes you a failure. If that was the case, everyone not named Hogan, Austin or The Rock would be a failure. Bullshit.
i might be wrong here but arent u the one who bashes cm punk for not being a draw??

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