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Old 11-16-2012, 05:10 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Default Re: Would one World Title really be better for WWE?

With the roster as weak as it is, having 1 World Title would be more effective than having 2.

Remember when title matches actually meant something? When HHH/Rock would feud over the belt, they didn't have the option of failing to win 1 and trying for another. The matches meant something, the feud meant something and due to that, the title meant something.

It means shit when a guy today can feud over the WWE Title for 3 months, fail to lose and instantly feud over the WHC for another 3 months, before repeating the cycle again (see Big Show). And in the end, no stars are born from it. You don't have legit contenders anymore and challengers aren't made to look credible. IMO, CM Punk's title reign would be more impressive if he was the sole World Champion, as it cements the idea that he is the man to beat. If this was 10 years ago, an extended title reign would have made Punk an instant star, as everybody would be gunning for him and him only. Now, if you don't beat him, oh well, let's go feud with Sheamus for his belt (see Big Show).

If you want the World Champion to look legit, try having 1 World Title.
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm not sure who is on what show anymore (without checking the roster). Ditch the brand split, WWE doesn't have the talent that made the brand split possible all those years back, and keep the WWE title. The WHC is just a remnant of WCW.
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TripleG murdered this thread. Agreed 150%. I'm sure Triple H knows it's bullshit. Probably not so much Vince because he's crazy like that.
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Fuck it, let's have two world tag team championships while we're at it.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I don't think there is any argument against merging the titles. The brand split is dead and the WWE roster is basically the same size as the TNA roster was about a year ago before Pritchard's purges. Of course, the size of the roster shouldn't determine how many World Titles you have anyway. The only way it makes sense to have multiple "World Champions" in the same company is if you have a brand split and are 100% committed to that split (WWE in 2003). Even then, its probably better for the quality of the product and the prestige of the World Title(s) to have a single World Champion as WWE did for the first 6 months or so of the split. When WWE went to 2 titles, they had the deepest roster they ever had and even then they quickly ran out of fresh matches. Brock Lesnar, Undertaker, Kurt Angle and Big Show basically feuded with each other for the title on Smackdown for a year. Chris Benoit was also a credible challenger, but after that nobody else was at World Title level on the Smackdown roster (Eddie won the title fresh off a midcard feud with Chavo in early 2004 when they abruptly and nonsensically moved Benoit to Raw). On Raw, Triple H spent 2003 feuding with ex-WCW wrestlers that weren't worthy challengers in bad matches and then went back to feuding with Shawn Michaels just as he did in late 2002. Since Jericho wasn't turning face, WWE ran out of fresh title matches on Raw as well.

The only companies that have had 2 World Titles were WCW between the NWA Title Tournament (the 1992 G-1 Climax) and Hogan arriving and WWE for the last 10 years (and also during the Invasion). WCW scrapped the 2 title idea in 2 years. Its taken WWE over a decade and they still haven't figured out what it took WCW 2 years to figure out.
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Title belts provide structure and hierarchy within a company.

2000 is often regarded as the WWE's best year. A big reason for that was because the roster was well organised and the fans had a general idea of where wrestlers fit within the company.

WWF Championship- Austin, Rock, Angle, Triple H etc.
Intercontinental- Jericho, Benoit, Rikishi, Eddie, Val Venis etc.
European Title- Al snow, Perry Saturn, Regal etc.
Tag Titles- Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, Too Cool etc.
Hardcore Title- Steve Blackman, Crash Holly, Hardcore Holly etc.
Light Heavyweight- Malenko, Scotty too Hotty, Essa Rios.

Pretty much every wrestler fit into one of these divisions nicely which gave everyone direction. It also helped the fans to understand their place in the company. Now of course some wrestlers moved across more than one division, but it was natural and not chaotic e.g. Angle moving from European-Intercontinental-WWf.

Having title belts with the same prestige like the WHW/WWE, US/IC pretty much destroys this. There are effectively two levels in the company and everyone is piled into one or the other. It's chaos. Then you have those who don't fit into either division and compete on the undercard. Hence, the current undercard of directionless talent because there are no Hardcore/European/Light Heavyweight type belts for them to aim for. Which means many stagnate and don't progress.

The belt situation is a huge problem. WWE may not value them but they're crucial for structural reasons alone.
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They had the "World tag team titles" and "WWE tag team titles" until they were merged at Mania in 2009.
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The WH title makes no sense without brand split
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:51 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Default Re: Would one World Title really be better for WWE?

They won't go back because they like running two sets of house shows (for obvious reasons) still, if one were to just set that aside there'd be no reason not to combine the titles. The WHC is, on its best day, a midcard title already. The brand split, although never treated very seriously, is now completely disregarded. Get rid of the WHC, and let the IC title set up into its spot. It really wouldn't be that difficult a transition since WWE treats the WHC as a secondary title anyway.

I know people will dislike this because it will result in many wrestlers not holding a world title who otherwise would if there were two. To that I say: Too bad. Part of the problem with the world title scene is it seems like anyone can hold the title. Any midcarder can step up, win the belt in some bullshit fashion, have a shitty reign, and then go back to Superstars. That's not a good thing. If getting rid of that sort of thing means that some wrestlers might be denied a world title reign, then so be it.
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