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Old 11-16-2012, 09:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes because if the belt is protected it can help get you people over if done the right way, I mean just look at the stark comparison of the people competing for the 'WWE title' CM Punk, John Cena, The Rock, the WWE's value as a championship is pretty high at the minute IMO, especially the next 6 months, its finally being treated like the 'holy grail' in wrestlng like it should be.

The World Title on the other hand gets embarrassingly overshadowed and really represents the 'the belt we give to guys were high on but their not ready for the big time yet' and it waters down the persons' accomplishments IMO if you label their time with that belt as a 'World Champion' Dolph Ziggler gets called a former 'World Champion' FFS :

I think if their ever was a time to remove the World title it would be when the WWE title is at its most prestigious and I feel that time should have already come, Punk should have beat Sheamus for the World title on PPV with Punk then scrapping the belt.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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They either need to completely get rid of the brand split and just have one world title for both shows
or they need to go back to having the wrestlers stay on their own brands and get rid of the raw supershow bullshit
problem they have if they went back to enforcing the brand split properly is the roster probably isn't strong enough in main event talent
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:14 AM   #23 (permalink)
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1 world title won't fix the product. 1 world title won't magically make the writing or the booking better. I have no problem with there being 2 world titles. 1 for each show.


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They originally split the roster and brought in a second world title because they had TOO much talent on their hands. Now that couldn't be further from the truth. They don't have ENOUGH talent. They book SD stars on Raw, there are no clear cut divisions in the card, they don't treat either title with the respect it deserves, the WWE title plays second fiddle to Cena and the WHC plays third fiddle to those 2. I think combining the rosters and the title is a great idea right now. Go back and start from scratch. Get rid of the guys who are taking up space and not doing anything/not ready. Send them back to developmental and call them up when they are ready. One title and one roster means less spots at the top. No more coasting. I also think it will mean the return of guys actually moving up the card, through the divisions to get to the top level again, they way it used to be. If they can book one world title and one roster when they had Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, Kane, HBK, Bret, Angle and the list goes on then they can sure as hell do it with what they have now. Then in a few years when they sort their shit out, hopefully they'll be at the stage where they'll be forced to split things again.

Everybody talks about the start of a new era and all that shit. I don't even think it needs to be something that substantial. The entire product is stale as shit right now. It's tired and redundant. If they just gutted the whole thing and started making changes, meaningful changes, I think the difference would be staggering tbh. When Vince first announced the draft it was a HUGE deal. If they had him or even HHH come out and announce this, the merging of the rosters and the unification of the world titles to kick of another new era, I think it would be great and really refreshing.

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I think there's enough talent on the roster. A lot of it is just being misused. Hard for guys to prove themselves when most don't get mic time or character development. Some guys are fighting just to make it on TV. If WWE was using there talent to its full potential I think people would be surprised at the amount of really talent guys being wasted right now.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't see anyway this can happen unless Vince is willing to cut down on his House Shows.

You can't have a house show and expect to draw a crowd if the champion is not there or advertised as being there. So, 1 undisputed champion would never get a day off. He'd have to work the Raw and Smackdown House shows, and that would kill the man, and burn him out very quickly.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:44 AM   #25 (permalink)
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So it would have taken him 15-20 years to get the title? And how many talented guys has there been that have been in the WWE for years, and never won the title.
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I don't mind having two world titles. There are a lot of talented guys that would never become world champion if we only had one title. Does anybody really think Daniel Bryan would ever have become champion if we only had one title?

I also think the WWE needs to switch shows for the titles, so they show that both titles are equal. Just like in 2008.
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Everybody talks about the start of a new era and all that shit. I don't even think it needs to be something that substantial. The entire product is stale as shit right now. It's tired and redundant. If they just gutted the whole thing and started making changes, meaningful changes, I think the difference would be staggering tbh. When Vince first announced the draft it was a HUGE deal. If they had him or even HHH come out and announce this, the merging of the rosters and the unification of the world titles to kick of another new era, I think it would be great and really refreshing..
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:53 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I've always seen the WHC as the WWE's trophy from the Monday night wars and don't want to see them get rid of it. I wish they still had a strict brand split and kept Smackdown as strong as Raw. They can keep wrestlers that have feuded too much apart and the draft was always a good way of keeping each brand fresh.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't see anyway this can happen unless Vince is willing to cut down on his House Shows.

You can't have a house show and expect to draw a crowd if the champion is not there or advertised as being there. So, 1 undisputed champion would never get a day off. He'd have to work the Raw and Smackdown House shows, and that would kill the man, and burn him out very quickly.
If John Cena can main event without even being part of the title picture, it can work. Just put him or some other really popular guy like The Miz or Sheamus, on the house show tour that the WWE Champion isn't on.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:52 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Why this can't work:If this is the direction you guys are going to, then it's worse for the WWE title. If it's just one world title, 2 or 3 guys would be holding the belt per year, since the WWE is planning on making more long term reigns. The top stars won't benefit from this. They will hardly get the title, they'll be like Roddy Piper.
You say this like it's a bad thing. Guess what, title or no title... Piper is a legend. So is Jake The Snake. So is Ted DiBiase. So is Mr. Perfect. So is Rick Rude. None of those guys won the belt when the WWF was at it's peak and yet each of those guys would go onto become wrestling immortals. Hulk Hogan was the champion because Hulk Hogan was the face of the company. Simply put, putting Hogan on the video game cover would sell more video games than putting someone like Piper on the cover. Hogan was their ace, so Hogan was their champion. Pure and simple. The problem is that titles have been devalued so much that people here actually believe everyone deserves one. That's not how it works. This isn't the Oprah Show. "YOU GET A TITLE! AND YOU GET A TITLE! AND YOU GET A TITLE! AND HEY THIS GUY IS REALLY GOOD HE GETS A TITLE!"

The title is reserved for the absolute best of the best. The ones that can actually carry the company and/or at least someone that can hang with someone that can carry the company. The main program of the show must feature someone who the crowd will pay to see. If you're not that guy, then you don't belong in the main program and you don't deserve the world championship.

But in this current climate when titles are handed out like gift baskets? It doesn't matter. Jack Swagger was champion for christ sakes. The Miz fucking headlined Wrestlemania as the WWE champion. If that's not a sign that the WWE needs to completely alter their approach to titles, then I don't know what is.

- World Title
- IC Title
- Tag Titles

That's all you need. That's all you've EVER needed.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:01 PM   #29 (permalink)
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yeah i guess ur right about this, this was largely the case in the 80's and 1990's, with many legends not holding the world title mr perfect etc. i could see many guys not being champion had it be only 1 title guys like the miz,big show, mark henry,christian etc. But i really think that winning the world heavyweight title these days has lost its prestige and doesnt mean as much because of they way they just pass it around to guys like swagger and del rio etc, i remember when benoit won the world title in 2004 it felt so big to the fans
It wasnt because of the world title though. It felt big only because that was the main title on RAW. In 2012, you could put the WWE title on Smackdown, and the WHC on RAW, and it will feel big again, just like in 2008.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:17 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I remember in 2009 while Orton/Cena/HHH had a lock on the main event picture on RAW, Hardy/Punk were putting on the feud of the year on SD.

Is having two World Titles bad ? no
Is having one World Title thrown on anyone while strictly appearing in the midcard/lower midcard bad ? yes
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