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Old 11-16-2012, 09:56 AM   #41 (permalink)
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The faces have no personality, whatsoever. Everyone is becoming a Cena-esque face. No one enjoys that. People enjoy faces when they keep some of their 'heel' traits, in other words some of their natural personality traits. But WWE has to turn all of them bland as hell. I mean yes they need support, but occasionally WWE needs to show that the superstars have a personality and that no one is the perfect good guy, they fail to do that.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:47 AM   #42 (permalink)
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The idea that babyfaces are only cheered by kids is ridiculous. Are the kids a big part of their fan base? Yes but have you ever looked at the crowd? Its not just kids cheering the babyface. Believe it or not, a lot of adults don't feel the same way about babyfaces as the people on this forum.

I have no idea what you mean by right & wrong. This isn't a right & wrong situation.
nothing exists in a vacumn=everything is a right or wrong situation

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Believe it or not, a lot of adults don't feel the same way about babyfaces as the people on this forum..
you mean like those who watch Jersey Shore, BET, G4 or NFL blindly, F**K THEM ASWELL

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The idea that babyfaces are only cheered by kids is ridiculous. Are the kids a big part of their fan base? Yes but have you ever looked at the crowd? Its not just kids cheering the babyface.
KIDS SHOULDN'T IN THE FANBASE OF WHAT SHOULD BE A CONTACT SPORT AT ALL!!

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:12 AM   #43 (permalink)
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simple...stop having them kiss the crowds ass.

Faces used to get over by combating the evil deeds of heels, not by catering to everything the crowd asks for.
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Faces nowadays are far too much clichee-good guys. They are like cartoon-comics, not believeable. In order for a face to work perfectly, he needs to have the personality of a guy that is relatable. Beeing a beta guy (phaggot) that never really returns the favour but stays safe all the time is not the way things work nowadays. In order for a face to get over, he has to be charismatic and unique, and by beeing generic and smiling, he won't accomplish that goal.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:47 AM   #44 (permalink)
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They need to start letting people put more of themselves into their characters. You can tell who does and does not have the freedom to do what they want on the mic very easily and those that do in just about every case are better than their counterparts that don't. We won't see another monster Icon face until the characters in the E on the whole are more relatable and believable.

A monster face can't exist without monster heels to battle against. And face or heel what it would take to get either is time, hard work, smart booking, and a little creative freedom.

They also need to stop turning people on a whim. It's a mistake that started in the 90's I believe and just hasn't stopped and it might be the biggest reason building up a good face is so difficult these days.. With guys like Rocky and Trips it might have been a necessary evil, they were loved by the fans, but also the best heels the company really had. But they've done it so many times any time you do get a face built up the first question on everyone's lips is "when is he going to turn heel?" It even goes to the point of people being disappointed in the product when the face doesn't turn.

It's something that will take time to fix. Like was said before Hardy was the last big face that was uber over(discounting Cena who gets as many boos as cheers for almost a decade now), and he worked for the company since (96?) as a jobber before finally becoming a tag team jobber. It took him about 10 years to get to the point of over-ness he was at with the fans.. it's why cena isn't liked, he was shoved right in there and is utterly unrelatable for anyone over 5. You have to get the crowd emotionally invested in your face's ability to overcome adversity, that takes years of blood, sweat and tears.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:57 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Stop taking away all their heel traits that got them over with the crowd in the first place. Like in 1998 when Rock turned babyface, and he came out the very next week not being the same guy he was before he turn babyface and said the same stuff, then the crowd would of turned on him right away, But he came out and called the same babyfaces and heels jabroni's and candy asses. Like fella was a joke telling ass clown when he was heel.

It's like WWE don't know how to have a different kind of babyface nowadays. Punk was a kind of different babyface last summer, but it didn't take long before the totally ruined his babyface character and turned him into babyface midget Cena.

They need to get away with this idea of what a babyface should be (joke telling, smiling goofs that shake off title losses like nothing) and learn to have different kind of babyfaces. Like ALL the babyfaces in WWE are the same character.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:05 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Stop taking away all their heel traits that got them over with the crowd in the first place. Like in 1998 when Rock turned babyface, and he came out the very next week not being the same guy he was before he turn babyface and said the same stuff, then the crowd would of turned on him right away, But he came out and called the same babyfaces and heels jabroni's and candy asses. Like fella was a joke telling ass clown when he was heel.

It's like WWE don't know how to have a different kind of babyface nowadays. Punk was a kind of different babyface last summer, but it didn't take long before the totally ruined his babyface character and turned him into babyface midget Cena.

They need to get away with this idea of what a babyface should be (joke telling, smiling goofs that shake off title losses like nothing) and learn to have different kind of babyfaces. Like ALL the babyfaces in WWE are the same character.
Exactly, same with Orton. He got super over as a heel with the Viper gimmick but once he turned face they made him so tame.
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I've been saying for the longest time that face turns and heel turns shouldn't be so obvious. The fact the system is so apparent for fans is why they will never get a face over.

The past year guys like Cody ziggler miz had gotten huge positive reactions. If that isn't a sure sign to turn them I don't know what is(im aware of miz). I hate the notion of "playing" a face. If you are liked than you will do well. I believe wade barret and del Rio can be successful faces because they are likable in the cool sense unlike vickie who might as well hold a ima bad guy sign over her head every night.

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Old 11-16-2012, 01:34 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I've been saying for the longest time that face turns and heel turns shouldn't be so obvious. The fact the system is so apparent for fans is why they will never get a face over.

The past year guys like Cody ziggler miz had gotten huge positive reactions. If that isn't a sure sign to turn them I don't know what is(im aware of miz). I hate the notion of "playing" a face. If you are liked than you will do well. I believe wade barret and del Rio can be successful faces because they are likable in the cool sense unlike vickie who might as well hold a ima bad guy sign over her head every night.

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I disagree, every heel gets popped on a certain occasion, doesn't mean they should turn him face. That way every guy on the roster would be a face. The reason they get the cheers in the first place are cause the crowd like 'cheering' for bad guys. Also Del Rio is not likeable in a cool sense, Del Rio is as anti-cool as someone can get, he is boring as hell.
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