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Old 11-06-2012, 07:53 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Every week I keep finding excuses to tune in. Every week I think this is the week we'll see a Rock return/Nexus debut/Punk promo/2011 MITB/night after Wrestlemania 28 like moment that will give me hope that change is upon the horizon. But that is all they eventually turn out to be - just moments. I'm simply kidding myself if I believe these are catalysts for change. WWE doesn't care about change. They don't care about taking risks, and why should they? As long as their pockets stay full, all they care about is following the status quo, blindly appeasing to as many demographics as possible without any sense of vision or direction toward the company's future.

With each and every passing week, especially with the conversion to 3 hour programming, I'm finding it harder and harder to stay up to date. With each and every passing week, I wonder why I even tune it at all. Force of habit? Nothing else on? Storylines are illogical. The booking is laughable. The superstars, while talented, don't inspire me to care. Cookie cutter good guys. Cookie cutter bad guys. Cartoonish gimmicks with no depth whatsoever. Matches booked just for the sake of filling up time. Where is the sense of rivalry? What inner motives do these competitors have to face one another, and what is the incentive of the fans to watch them?

There is no ultimate goal. There is no buildup to something other than to hype an inevitable PPV match, then it's rinse and repeat. Nowadays, the biggest draws for the company are former superstars that show up once every few months. Do they serve a bigger purpose in a storyline? No, they are simply there to draw. More money in WWE's pockets. More money to spend on useless expansions. More excuses for fans to get suckered in and replenish their spendings. It's a never ending cycle.

Everyone wants to speculate as to what era we are in. The truth is there is no era. It's a clusterfuck of shallow, unorganized, undeveloped, discombobulated ideas thrown together with hopes of appealing to as many casual fans as possible in an effort to exploit the evolving technology that is social media. In times past, I may have been frustrated with the way a certain episode ended. I would tell myself I'm never watching WWE again, foolishly thinking that my boycott will make a difference, and the following week I'm right back to my old habits, never learning my lesson. Now that I see this company for what it truly is, it will be a while before I make that mistake again.
Excellent post Agreed 110%.

There's a few things that could be done to make the shows better...a few things that are glaringly obvious to the majority of us who were around during WWE's better days (the late 1990's) but whilst the McMahons are obsessed with getting Linda into some kind of political position, and just about enough people are still watching to keep the advertising and merch sales revenue coming in, this damn company won't change it's ways.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:05 PM   #152 (permalink)
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My biggest problem with ROH is that no one on their roster knows how to work & they don't have anyone in the back reeling them in, either. With a decent road agent, they could be O.K. When you're doing a superplex onto a guard rail, a rolling superplex into a brainbuster & a dragon suplex on the ring apron, none of which end a match, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. It's like a bunch of guys that watched old tapes, saw shit they thought was cool, so now they just mimic all those big spots and think that makes a good match but they don't know how to tell a story or have any psychology. Oh, Dynamite Kidd does a Tombstone Piledriver, Kenta Kobashi does a Burning Hammer & Akira Taue did a Chokeslam off the ring apron to the floor? Well if I do all three of those spots in my match some guy online will give it more snowflakes!

Davey Richards no-sold as much as the 'Unbreakable' Elgin, which was my gripe. Hell, the matches don't even build to anything. It's just trading of big ass moves & then the moves not meaning anything.

Here's a good example: "Die Hard" Eddie Edwards had recruited Dan "The Beast" Severn as his mentor/trainer/coach. He was taught the rear-naked choke (or maybe it was the Dragon Sleeper, I can't remember). It was played up as a big deal but then come match time, against Davey, when he goes for it, it doesn't even matter. He doesn't apply it any differently, it's not played up as a big deal, Davey just gets out of it & Edwards never goes back to it again. So what was the entire story? All we got was Severn chasing people outside the ring off and the normal ROH-style main event of killing moves. It was retarded.
I did think that Elgin should have been on the offensive more during the match, dominating Richards. I thought that could really have helped play up how badass Elgin was, which would have made Richards even more of a sympathetic babyface. Whenever he got any momentum going, Elgin should have just crushed him right back to ground zero. I felt that they booked the match too much in a 50/50 split when it should have been like 70/30 in favor of Elgin.

To be fair, even the greats have done that. I watched one of the many Misawa/Kenta matches (one of the Meltzer 5 star ones, can't remember which). I believe it was Kenta who gave Misawa a Dragon Suplex off the entrance ramp onto the concrete floor, which should be a match ender no question, yet they continued on for like...another 25 minutes. Now obviously Misawa and Kenta are on a different level than Richards and Elgin, but you get my point.

What I do like about RoH, however, is that even though they're doing all these crazy moves, like Chaos Theory and whatnot, they do seem to build up to the actual finishers of each wrestler. Elgin's signature, the spinning sitout powerbomb, he did that ONCE in the match (yeah Richards kicked out, I thought that should have ended it). Not 3 AAs like Punk or 2 GTSs like Cena. They use a plethora of different moves to build up to the finisher which should be most devastating. Kicking out of 3 AAs devalues the move. Kicking out of 1 spinning sitout powerbomb, to me, says "ok this guy is pretty tough to kick out of that finisher."

I personally would much rather see a bunch of devastating, high impact moves with a wide variety than see the same fucking 6-7 moves over and over again. I feel like the show is on repeat. It makes sense to me a lot more. "OK, that didn't work, let's try something else." And its not like they're going out there stealing every finisher from every guy. We didn't see Elgin do a Stunner or Richards a Pedigree or something. If that happened, I'd say absolutely, these guys are watching tapes and stealing moves. The way I look at it now, they're wrestlers showing their wrestling ability to its full extent, and I have no problem with that.

I do get your point, of course. Its just that for me, its not a big bother. I actually enjoy it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:16 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Well, we're never going to agree. You & I want different things from out wrestling shows. That being said, in 2005, I thought ROH was the best promotion in the world. In 2012, I think it's the worst.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:22 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Linda just lost
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:23 PM   #155 (permalink)
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I'm not reading through 11 pages but it's headache inducing bad. It's to the point where if Raw was cancelled tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it or really care.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:26 PM   #156 (permalink)
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Well, we're never going to agree. You & I want different things from out wrestling shows. That being said, in 2005, I thought ROH was the best promotion in the world. In 2012, I think it's the worst.
Well, we agree that Japan is putting out some great stuff right now, and we're both fans of it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:35 PM   #157 (permalink)
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Well, we agree that Japan is putting out some great stuff right now, and we're both fans of it.
We agree that as wrestling fans, we kind of just want everything to be awesome so we have actual choices. That's what was so fun about the Monday Night Wars to me. WWF, WCW & ECW were all FUN. Now people watch out of habit or due to having a lack of competition. As wrestling fans, this is the worst state of professional wrestling I can remember happening in my life. WWF may have been lackluster in the mid-90's but you still had WCW & ECW as options. Now WWE & TNA are both bad & ROH is certainly not ECW.

Puroresu is more accessible but even as much as I enjoy that wrestling, I'm still an English-only speaking American that clamors for more than just the in-ring part of the show. I want the stories & soap opera too. Wrestling is just in a really bad shape right now & it doesn't look to be improving anytime soon.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:17 PM   #158 (permalink)
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Last time I watched one of the insults used was "dork".

I haven't watched since.
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WWE is so predictable. Even TNA was until they came up with the Aces & 8s storyline.
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