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Old 11-06-2012, 06:24 PM   #141 (permalink)
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To the person who said this had been a good PG year for WWE, just please look back and reconsider that comment and realise its fucking stupid...thanks
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:50 PM   #142 (permalink)
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I don't enjoy TNA. After a decade, I have given up on them. It should also be noted that on Monday, I didn't watch a single second of RAW. In my opinion, TNA, WWE & ROH all three shit the bed right now.
And for those of us who enjoy it, such as yourself and I, Japan puts out a very solid, quality wrestling product, as well. Tanahashi vs Okada from Dominion 6.16 is still far and away the front runner for MOTY, in my eyes (the only competition it has is Elgin vs Richards from RoH). I haven't seen it yet, mostly because I haven't been able to find it, but I've also heard very positive things about the NJPW King of Pro Wrestling iPPV from early October.

Good wrestling is out there. People just have to take the blinders off that say WWE is the only real choice.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:56 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Both Tanahashi/Okada matches, Okada/Naito & Tanahashi/Minoru Suzuki are all better than Elgin/Richards. You gotta watch more New Japan! I would also put Cena/Brock ahead of it & probably Punk/Cena as well.

I do agree that good wrestling is still out there. But that's not what a lot of fans want. They don't want to have to hunt & search for quality & then sift through it all to find something they enjoy. They just want to turn on the TV & watch wrestling. WWE provides that. Which is part of the problem because it doesn't matter how bad they get, they're still really the only game in town. Monday is still "wrestling night" (even if the NFL kills it).

At least WWE still gives us high quality matches on PPV. When you look back at the year as a whole, there's been good matches. It's just there's so many hours of WWE it feels like it sucks. But there's usually at least one good match on every PPV show.
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:58 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Good quality matches on PPV's doesn't really determine whether WWE sucks or not.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:08 PM   #145 (permalink)
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By this point vince mcmahon could film himself taking a shit for 3 hours and people would still say "the show was decent".

ps: the above would be a lot more entertaining than most 3 hours RAW's
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:09 PM   #146 (permalink)
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Both Tanahashi/Okada matches, Okada/Naito & Tanahashi/Minoru Suzuki are all better than Elgin/Richards. You gotta watch more New Japan! I would also put Cena/Brock ahead of it & probably Punk/Cena as well.

I do agree that good wrestling is still out there. But that's not what a lot of fans want. They don't want to have to hunt & search for quality & then sift through it all to find something they enjoy. They just want to turn on the TV & watch wrestling. WWE provides that. Which is part of the problem because it doesn't matter how bad they get, they're still really the only game in town. Monday is still "wrestling night" (even if the NFL kills it).

At least WWE still gives us high quality matches on PPV. When you look back at the year as a whole, there's been good matches. It's just there's so many hours of WWE it feels like it sucks. But there's usually at least one good match on every PPV show.
The issue with NJPW is that there's a delay until the matches get put online for me to watch them, so I don't know when they are and aren't up. So in that regard, WWE and TNA are more readily available. As you said, however, in WWE's case that's not necessarily a good thing.

I personally thought the finish of Cena/Brock ruined the match completely. Come to think of it, the finish to Punk/Cena had the same effect. I dunno what it is about the fucking stupid booking decisions in this company, but they're just wrecking things with them. I thought Elgin vs Richards was a really good match. Tanahashi vs Okada 2 was better, I thought, but Elgin/Richards was excellent in ring, told a good story, had some great drama...it appealed to what I like as a wrestling fan. The 2 WWE matches you mentioned...they were littered with things that just piss me off, again, as a wrestling fan. I don't care if a match is 5 stars in ring, if you book the finish to be completely retarded, its a bad match. It'd be like receiving a shitty main course but trying to justify the meal as excellent because the appetizers were good. Doesn't fly. So for me, Elgin/Richards is currently second place to Tanahashi/Okada 2.

Though I'll be sure to check out Okada/Naito & Tanahashi/Minoru Suzuki, as per your suggestion.

I'll say one thing against TNA, here. They had Okada and made him Kato to Samoa Joe's Green Hornet, which was even a really poor idea at the time. Looking at Okada's success now...damn did they drop the ball with him.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:18 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Well Richards/Elgin was filled with moves being killed, no-selling, stupid-ass crowd chants & Davey still winning (with an awful finish to boot) so I dunno. On initially watching I was drawn in but that was solely because I hate Davey Richards so badly that I was begging, pleading, praying for someone, ANYONE to beat him & Elgin got me to buy into the hope that maybe, just maybe, he might.

I most definitely agree that Brock Lesnar should have won the match there as well though.

Not entirely sure what you do and don't want from your wrestling but modern-era ROH is pretty much the epitome of bad wrestling to me. I'll take what I feel is the wrong man winning in a good match than business-exposing masturbatory "clinics" full of big spots for the fuck of it any day of the week. It's the same reason why I hate Kurt Angle. Oh, moonsault...six olympic slams, now get out of two ankle locks, ok now four german suplex, hit me with all your shit & let me kickout...school boy finish! "Match of the year." Yeah, no.

Tanahashi/Suzuki Meltzer gave 5-stars, for whatever that is worth (not much).
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By this point vince mcmahon could film himself taking a shit for 3 hours and people would still say "the show was decent".

ps: the above would be a lot more entertaining than most 3 hours RAW's
Isn't that basically what Raw is now
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Well Richards/Elgin was filled with moves being killed, no-selling, stupid-ass crowd chants & Davey still winning (with an awful finish to boot) so I dunno. On initially watching I was drawn in but that was solely because I hate Davey Richards so badly that I was begging, pleading, praying for someone, ANYONE to beat him & Elgin got me to buy into the hope that maybe, just maybe, he might.

I most definitely agree that Brock Lesnar should have won the match there as well though.

Not entirely sure what you do and don't want from your wrestling but modern-era ROH is pretty much the epitome of bad wrestling to me. I'll take what I feel is the wrong man winning in a good match than business-exposing masturbatory "clinics" full of big spots for the fuck of it any day of the week. It's the same reason why I hate Kurt Angle. Oh, moonsault...six olympic slams, now get out of two ankle locks, ok now four german suplex, hit me with all your shit & let me kickout...school boy finish! "Match of the year." Yeah, no.

Tanahashi/Suzuki Meltzer gave 5-stars, for whatever that is worth (not much).
OK, I'll give you that the ending of the match was anti-climatic (just a kick to the head that Elgin didn't kick out of, which happened to be the last in a series of 3-4), but Elgin WAS supposed to be no selling. The whole deal is that he's the unstoppable badass monster. It made sense for him to take a move and stand right back up like it was nothing. That's the character. I didn't pay attention to the crowd, they were thankfully silent for a lot of the match, so I could concentrate. I dunno how others feel but I thought the diversity of moves in the match was great. I hate that most WWE stars are limited to a specific move set. I like it when they can, well, show the range of their wrestling abilities.

I also get what you're saying about Angle. I see Jeff Hardy do that a lot too, I dunno why.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:43 PM   #150 (permalink)
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My biggest problem with ROH is that no one on their roster knows how to work & they don't have anyone in the back reeling them in, either. With a decent road agent, they could be O.K. When you're doing a superplex onto a guard rail, a rolling superplex into a brainbuster & a dragon suplex on the ring apron, none of which end a match, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. It's like a bunch of guys that watched old tapes, saw shit they thought was cool, so now they just mimic all those big spots and think that makes a good match but they don't know how to tell a story or have any psychology. Oh, Dynamite Kidd does a Tombstone Piledriver, Kenta Kobashi does a Burning Hammer & Akira Taue did a Chokeslam off the ring apron to the floor? Well if I do all three of those spots in my match some guy online will give it more snowflakes!

Davey Richards no-sold as much as the 'Unbreakable' Elgin, which was my gripe. Hell, the matches don't even build to anything. It's just trading of big ass moves & then the moves not meaning anything.

Here's a good example: "Die Hard" Eddie Edwards had recruited Dan "The Beast" Severn as his mentor/trainer/coach. He was taught the rear-naked choke (or maybe it was the Dragon Sleeper, I can't remember). It was played up as a big deal but then come match time, against Davey, when he goes for it, it doesn't even matter. He doesn't apply it any differently, it's not played up as a big deal, Davey just gets out of it & Edwards never goes back to it again. So what was the entire story? All we got was Severn chasing people outside the ring off and the normal ROH-style main event of killing moves. It was retarded.

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