How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom? - Page 6 - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply

Old 10-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #51 (permalink)
Learning to break kayfabe
 
TheWannabeWriter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 134
TheWannabeWriter is an after thoughtTheWannabeWriter is an after thought
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

1. There is no competition, so there is no drive to create a better product. WWE may be concerned about the ratings, but will soon realize that a 3.0 is probably the best they are going to be able to do for quite some time. TNA is a joke and seem perfectly content to run the product they currently have for a few more years to keep some of the old guard wrestlers employed.

2. Wrestling is not cool. Sad to say, especially on this forum, but the majority of people find wrestling to be a joke. Even during the 80s and 90s, wrestling was still relevant in American pop culture. I especially remember an episode of "Married with Children" that had several wrestlers guest star. In the Attitude Era you had crossovers all the time with American sports stars, movie stars, and television personalities. While some did it for the money quite a few did it because they realized wrestling was relevant and popular.

Look at the WWE today, they try to get all these celebrities involved, but WWE just isn't culturally relevant and its obvious they are there to either promote something or to get paid. How do you make the WWE cool again? Hell if I know as I have no idea what the current younger generations like or enjoy that could push WWE back into the main stream culture.

3. Wrestling looks like a children's cartoon compared to UFC and other cable shows. While the PG rating certainly factors in, there's a much deeper problem and that is wrestling is viewed as something children would watch, not adults and certainly not adult males. I'm not saying in any way that wrestling is not meant for adults, but rather the current perception of the product is certainly aimed at a much younger audience. There is no easy fix to this that doesn't alienate the casual families and children without alienating the adults and hardcore fans. However, it seems fairly obvious that the WWE has chosen to focus on young children and families and I can certainly understand why as they'll need those fans to survive the coming years as the hardcore fans continually lose interest.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KuritaDavion View Post
The crowd has just booed the entire WWE roster, camermen and announcers and are cheering for HHH. He finally did it. He buried the entire roster all at once. This is truly HHH's finest hour.
TheWannabeWriter is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 10-30-2012, 02:43 AM   #52 (permalink)
Learning to break kayfabe
 
MangoDylzXx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 60
MangoDylzXx is an after thought
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Knight View Post
Cena's heel turn would just be a rip off of Hogan's heel turn.People have already seen that.
Yes but Hogans heel turn was in an era when he was not the face of family orientated company, milking money out of kids and mothers..
__________________
MangoDylzXx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 02:52 AM   #53 (permalink)
Carrying SCOTT STEINER's bags
 
Shawn Morrison's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,528
Shawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friends
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Combat Analyst View Post
It can't. I don't think people don't understand that no matter how good the wrestling product is, the majority of America, has moved on from it. Everyone knows it's fake and find it as something for little kids, rednecks, and/or gay men. That's not going to change even if they end PG and pull out the best product since the Attitude Era. People have moved on from it, and went on to things like MMA.

And that's a straight up dumb idea to make wrestling known to the masses that it's a work, We all know it's fake, but suspension of disbelief, has always made it so great, and made us pretend it was real. No one's going to want to watch something that the owners constantly say to us it's fake.
i'm not saying flat out tell everyone this is 'fake'. What i'm saying is they should bring more real life stories into it and real life issues cause they get WAY more popularity and interest way more fans, isn't that what they want? For example Punk's shoot promo, he didn't tell anyone wrestling was fake but he brought real life stuff into it and made wrestling seem much cooler by that promo alone. The kids who enjoy it will still enjoy it, they still get to pick their good guys and bad guys, its just it will appeal to a bigger audience if they bring more realistic storylines into it.

For example who wouldn't like a storyline about a certain group trying to destroy WWE completely, its just WWE is trying to be this big promotional thing now that is too big for any fun realistic storylines.
__________________
Not Removing Until:

John Cena faces Undertaker at Wrestlemania [ ]

Sheamus and Cm Punk are the 2 World Champions [X] -Wrestlemania 28

John Morrison wins World Title [ ]

John Cena losses cleanly [X]- Wrestlemania 28 Rock Beats John Cena


John Cena turns heel [ ]

Shawn Michaels returns for One More Match[ ]

Daniel Bryan beats a Main Eventer cleanly [ ]

BTB:
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/booker...l#post10519764

Last edited by Shawn Morrison : 10-30-2012 at 03:17 AM.
Shawn Morrison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 02:54 AM   #54 (permalink)
Moron
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Up
Posts: 408
Superior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more seriousSuperior Quality needs to take rep more serious
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

It's only going to happen if another company comes along to light a fire under wwe's ass. Or somehow wwe decides to brings back wcw to have a new ratings war but even that won't ever happen.
Superior Quality is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 03:40 AM   #55 (permalink)
Getting over in the mid-card
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,886
GillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new hereGillbergReturns better hope they're relatively new here
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Increased competition is going to make it hard. I'm not talking about a rival wrestling company either. MMA shows like Pawn Stars. I don't see a day when they capture the teen market like they did during the Attitude era.

Really the only thing they can do is create new stars and hope for the best.
GillbergReturns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 03:43 AM   #56 (permalink)
Learning to break kayfabe
 
MangoDylzXx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 60
MangoDylzXx is an after thought
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

How many people here are safe to say that they admit to watching wrestling programming week in and week out to someone they just met? I mean, if I met someone, yes I'll say I watch the NBA yes I'll say I watch football, 15 odd years ago, yes I would say I watched wrestling. Now, I feel watching wrestling is like discreetly watching porn. *sigh*
To recreate the 'boom' the WWE/TNA any wrestling promotion needs to try every last thing, to make people start casually saying "Hey, did you see RAW last week? That thing with so and so was..."
To those who think another 'boom' is not going to happen, you are dreaming. Professional wrestling WILL never ever die! It's just one of those things everybody knows (who hasn't had their mother come into a room and say that's not real blood that's sauce, but then to sit down and ask, so who is the person beating him up)and ATM doesn't love, but oneday again will.

I believe wrestling need to go back to their roots, right to the start where there was crazy gimmicks that were so stupid you believed it and embraced it, if everyone knows it's fake, just embrace being fake, professional wrestling is larger than life, let the wrestlers be larger than life, don't bring them down to earth, if people see wrestlers and story-lines so crazy that they can barely believe it, I promise they will watch. We enjoy being immersed in something that is completely not real for a short amount of time, so we can believe we are part of something that we couldn't be a part of in reality. Of coarse everyone knows a chair shot will hardly hurt you, of coarse people know it's fake but if a wrestler gets whacked over the head with a chair and commentators scream like the person just died it scares people and makes them interested. For the moment you watch a movie or a play, you believe in it completely. Wrestling needs to become the crazy circus it once was and have once again unbelievably strong kayfabe that is gripping and whilst people watch they are part of the product like a film and when it's finished they want to watch the next week and the next. No-one really cares about the actual wrestling to be very honest, because it's not real, they care about moments that are hard to believe and stories that stick to your mind. That's how wrestling has always worked and how it's always going to work and for the next 'boom' to work.
__________________
MangoDylzXx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 04:03 AM   #57 (permalink)
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,221
Elijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more seriousElijah89 needs to take rep more serious
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Kayfabe.

Stuff like the Summer of X-Pac MEV in 2011 needs to happen very sparingly. Worked shoots tend to get old very fast. Once everyone starts shooting, the whole thing loses it's meaning. There will be no more shock factor in those types of feuds/promos.

I know this sounds weird, but wrestling is at it's worst or least sustainable when it is trying to be too realistic. Even if the WWE executed the Summer of X-Pac MEV correctly it would have never been sustainable past Survivor Series 2011. He has been champion for a while now,he has nothing left to bitch and moan about.

The only worked shoot in wrestling that has ever worked in the long run was the Montreal Screwjob. Greates work of all time in my opinion.

Wrestling needs to return to it's kayfabe roots. Something similar to the 80s and early 90s. It will make the wrestlers larger than life again and more mysterious. It is the reason why Taker and Cena are so over. They kayfabe most of the time. Never out of character. It actually keeps them interesting. Even in a cynical society. I love how the video they showed on this week's Raw showed Cena inviting AJ onto the elevator, and even after the show was over Cena was in a hotel and restaurant in his wrestling gear.

Kayfabe. Kayfabe. Kayfabe. Guys like Gorilla Monsoon, Jim Cornette, and Stu Hart knew what the hell they were talking about. It is time to put Pandora back in the box.
Elijah89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 04:51 AM   #58 (permalink)
Carrying SCOTT STEINER's bags
 
Shawn Morrison's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,528
Shawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friendsShawn Morrison needs to make some friends
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah89 View Post
Kayfabe.

Stuff like the Summer of X-Pac MEV in 2011 needs to happen very sparingly. Worked shoots tend to get old very fast. Once everyone starts shooting, the whole thing loses it's meaning. There will be no more shock factor in those types of feuds/promos.

I know this sounds weird, but wrestling is at it's worst or least sustainable when it is trying to be too realistic. Even if the WWE executed the Summer of X-Pac MEV correctly it would have never been sustainable past Survivor Series 2011. He has been champion for a while now,he has nothing left to bitch and moan about.

The only worked shoot in wrestling that has ever worked in the long run was the Montreal Screwjob. Greates work of all time in my opinion.

Wrestling needs to return to it's kayfabe roots. Something similar to the 80s and early 90s. It will make the wrestlers larger than life again and more mysterious. It is the reason why Taker and Cena are so over. They kayfabe most of the time. Never out of character. It actually keeps them interesting. Even in a cynical society. I love how the video they showed on this week's Raw showed Cena inviting AJ onto the elevator, and even after the show was over Cena was in a hotel and restaurant in his wrestling gear.

Kayfabe. Kayfabe. Kayfabe. Guys like Gorilla Monsoon, Jim Cornette, and Stu Hart knew what the hell they were talking about. It is time to put Pandora back in the box.
That worked in the 80's/90's not anymore. Right now THAT is the reason WWE sucks. These days everyone knows its fake, they don't find the larger than life thing entertaining. Example look at Cena, they made him repeat the same process for 5 years, everyone got bored as shit and the only time anyone really enjoyed him was his feud with Punk and Rock where they both brought the reality out of him. The kayfabe kayfabe kayfabe idea doesn't work anymore, people nowadays are into many different things, fake characters in WWE don't excite them.

They NEED to break Kayfabe. This Era, everyone enjoys a real life storyline, everyone is bored as shit of the fake storylines that have been done over and over and are just not fun anymore.

Right now they know breaking kayfabe works, which is why they NEED to use it. I'm not saying repeat the Punk shoot promos, there is a whole variety of things they can do. For example a Triple-H vs Vince McMahon power struggle that brings some real life stuff into it, a storyline where an alliance tries to destroy WWE because it is not as good as it used to be, etc. These kind of storylines will bring in viewers who don't even watch WWE, they will like seeing such storylines cause they have big impacts. I'm not saying tell everyone 'this is fake' im just saying they should bring in real life stuff. Also they should bring in real life backgrounds, like Punk's whole wrestling background, like in his DVD, that alone made me like him a whole lot more, if they showed that kind of stuff on the show people would start enjoying watching it more.
__________________
Not Removing Until:

John Cena faces Undertaker at Wrestlemania [ ]

Sheamus and Cm Punk are the 2 World Champions [X] -Wrestlemania 28

John Morrison wins World Title [ ]

John Cena losses cleanly [X]- Wrestlemania 28 Rock Beats John Cena


John Cena turns heel [ ]

Shawn Michaels returns for One More Match[ ]

Daniel Bryan beats a Main Eventer cleanly [ ]

BTB:
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/booker...l#post10519764
Shawn Morrison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 08:15 AM   #59 (permalink)
Asking SCOTT STEINER for Wrestling Advice
 
nachoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 489
nachoman should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsnachoman should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsnachoman should be embarassed if they have more than 50 postsnachoman should be embarassed if they have more than 50 posts
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

Im going to say there wont be another boom period.

And that this talk of wrestlings popularity going in cycles just isnt true anymore. Basically there have been two peaks and the rest of the time (while still profitable) the business has been stagnent

Those two peaks came as a result of pro wrestling reaching out beyond its fan base and appealing to non wrestlig fans. But i honestly dont think it can do that again. From the 80s to now theyve done pretty much all you can do with pro wrestling. Theyve done the extreme years, the pg years, the 80s years full of gimmicks, the 2000s where there are no gimmicks

What killed off the wwe was when they gave up any notion of it being a sport and turned it into a soap opera, a tv show. Because as soon as they started treating it like a soap opera they run the risk of what happens to all tv shows - sooner or later they get cancelled.

Sports go on and on for decades and are timeless. Theres no danger of the nba or nfl going out of business. But at some point all tv shows find that theyve done everything they can do and the people who watch them just get less and less.
nachoman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 09:24 AM   #60 (permalink)
Working on my abs
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Kings County, NY
Posts: 2,782
Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P Boss P
Default Re: How can WWE recreate and reinvent itself so as to create the next biggest boom?

It's an extreme unlikely possibility that a boom period could happen in the next two decades, but if it does, it can't be because they made their show safer and it can't be because they made their show trashier. The Golden Era in the 80s (as well as WWE's product over the past four or so years) already covered safe; and the Attitude Era already covered trashy, so going into those two extremes are unlikely to work bacause there's fans who already associate those elements with wrestling's past. The one thing true about every boom period throughout wrestling history is that it involved general industry reform. The industry completely changed the way it was presented. The first boom period involved the Gold Dust trio making wrestling a work when previously it was legitimate competition; the second boom in the 1950s happened because wrestling was introduced to television instead of radio; the third boom of the 1980s happened because Vince created the first national wrestling company, coined the term 'sports-entertainment', became relatively honest with the audience about the fact that they were watching a show, added cartoonish elements to the gimmicks, and created a larger than life television and PPV product when previously it was simply a kayfabe-driven 'sport' powered by territories; the 1990s boom happened because of the industry's shift to adult content/situations when previously it was seen as a show for kids.

That kind of reform hasn't happened since. Risks like that rarely work, so top promoters (I.E. Vince and to a smaller extent, Dixie) have either avoided that kind of general change or they don't know what direction to go in. I don't claim to know more than those people, but I have an idea: Make wrestling smarter.

If history is any indication, the wrestling industry experiences boom periods when it takes the common cultural perception of it, and then go the opposite direction. The world thinks wrestling is stupid...well, make it intelligent.

It doesn't have to be the most intellectual show in the world (that would severely limit it's audience)...just move in that direction. Make it as smart as an episode of Homeland, for instance. Take socially provocative concepts and make characters (or stables) represent those concepts. For example, we live in a world where same-sex marriage is a divisive subject in the U.S...well...sounds like the time for a gay character. And not the kind of gay character from the 90s who'll grind on his opponent to play 'mind games'; make him being homosexual one single (and completely secondary) part of his character, and then give him a general, more important character, like him being a badass muscle for hire. At the forefront you have the wrestling character (hired muscle) and at the back end you have numerous human characteristics which, because of the natural irrational nature of the human mind, will result in the audience reacting a certain way whether they want to or not. There's people reading this post right now who are uncomfortable with my idea because the concept socially or creatively offends them. Good. That's the kind of provocativeness I want and those are the kind of natural reactions I want. I'm not trying to write shows about gay people, that's just an example.

And even if the 'social provocativeness' isn't an option for some cowardly reason, wrestling could at least start with some story continuity. If you're gonna have an angle where the board of directors fire AJ for fraternizing with talent, maybe they shouldn't hire Vickie Guerrero. And maybe (because of AJ's documented history with Bryan, Kane or Punk), the board of directors shouldn't have hired AJ in the first place. These are massive plotholes and should never make television. Even a small step like that could help wrestling become smarter, boost the industry's credibility and help it compete with other television. Write storylines and stick to them. Get the fans used to these characters and their traits. Don't change them every 12 months and then wonder why the fans don't care when these characters are put in so called 'challenging situations'. They can evolve, but they can't change. If that doesn't boost the industry on a major level, I'm not sure what would work. They would need sheer luck.

That's just an idea. An idea I'm sure people are gonna feel uncomfortable reading. But it's my (very unimportant) two cents.
__________________
"I'd like to die like my father died... My father died fucking. My father was 57 when he died. The woman was 18. My father came and went at the same time." - Richard Pryor
Boss P is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios