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Old 09-29-2012, 03:59 AM   #41 (permalink)
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^Cant believe how you said one scene trumps the most successful commercial star film industry has seen.

Godfellas was a great movie.But 95% of Tom Cruise movies has made more money than that movie
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:24 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is being the biggest draw a good enough reason to be considered the goat?

no, not even close.

to be fair I could care less abuot the money that they make for the company, I want to be entertained so if someone is the biggest draw it doesn't neccessarily mean that I am their fan or they are the GOAT. being a GOAT is a perfect mix of everything that involes also ring work, psycology, promo work and the like.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:12 AM   #43 (permalink)
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^Cant believe how you said one scene trumps the most successful commercial star film industry has seen.

Godfellas was a great movie.But 95% of Tom Cruise movies has made more money than that movie
Tom Cruise is also more marketable than Deniro.

See, this is where I prefer the division in video games (actually it exists in all forms of entertainment). You have your casuals and you have your "core" gamers. With movies you have your casual viewers and you have your film buffs. With wrestling you have your obvious casuals and core fans as well.

Your core always brings the critical success while casuals bring financial success. Who the GOAT is, really, depends on subjectivity than it's given credit. It's already been stated that all Hogan really had going for him was charisma... Frankly, he also had the image and those two things combined make for some serious marketability. Combine those aspects with the fact that he carried a pretty universal message and you've got a superstar, for sure. I mean really, what casual person isn't going to connect with the buff, outgoing dude that speaks on behalf of the American dream and staying out of trouble.

Same with Cena. People are going to back him up for being the guy that preaches a message of respect and being a good person. Parallel this with movies... Tom Cruise, for example, is at the very least above average as an actor, he's attractive, he's marketable. And like Hogan and Cena he often plays the likable hero as well. I think there is less distinction between movies and wrestling than it's given credit here actually. They're different dynamics, but similar principles. Sure, Austin, Hogan, Cena, and Rock have all kept the business afloat and at the very least the Rock and Austin have been and will continue to be influences on many wrestlers to come.

Hogan and Cena though? I don't think they're cited as major influences for people within the business, quite frankly. In fact, a lot of wrestlers today mention HBK, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, and a handful of others that weren't always the biggest draws (well, Flair was pretty big), but were great at their craft. Isn't that impacting the business as well? They might not be bringing in money directly, but they're inspiring other people to become wrestlers. HBK in particular couldn't draw for shit and did nothing for the bottom line, but he influenced probably the vast majority of wrestlers that are up and coming today. I think that's just as much of an impact, if not MORE of an impact than becoming a household name or drawing millions of dollars.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:18 AM   #44 (permalink)
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It's not about drawing power alone, but in the fact that Hogan and Austin actually changed the wrestling industry for the better. Not to mention that they were (at their respective times) new, fresh characters. Talent in general is how people measure GOATS. HBK never drew for shit but he's definitively one of the GOATS.
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I don't care about drawing shit. But Austin really was the best wrestler and the best on the mic in the 90's.
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What's with all this Flair love in this forum?HHH and HBK are huge Flair fans.No wonder WWE has been trying to make him look like an equal to Hogan.Hogan is hated by Vince McMahon,HHH,HBK,SCSA and the reasons to hate him are right.I have stressed this point since I joined this forum that Hogan has had an impact on pro-wrestling like no one else and Flair is getting more praise than needed.WWE has spoon-fed people that Flair was as good as Hogan was.If it wasn't for HHH and Evolution,Flair's relevance would be similar to Randy Savage.
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I don't care about drawing shit. But Austin really was the best wrestler and the best on the mic in the 90's.
I'd consider Austin probably the undisputed GOAT, tbh. He spoke to both casuals and hardcore fans which is kind of rare. What makes him different from Cena and Hogan is that he didn't just fall in line and promote the WWE. He played a very intense and very likable character and he played it extremely well on his own terms. He meets literally every single criteria rather than just a few major ones.
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It's not about drawing power alone, but in the fact that Hogan and Austin actually changed the wrestling industry for the better.
A very true statement
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What's with all this Flair love in this forum?HHH and HBK are huge Flair fans.No wonder WWE has been trying to make him look like an equal to Hogan.Hogan is hated by Vince McMahon,HHH,HBK,SCSA and the reasons to hate him are right.I have stressed this point since I joined this forum that Hogan has had an impact on pro-wrestling like no one else and Flair is getting more praise than needed.WWE has spoon-fed people that Flair was as good as Hogan was.If it wasn't for HHH and Evolution,Flair's relevance would be similar to Randy Savage.
This actually leads right into the point I'm making. People within the business would probably call Flair the GOAT (more recently, they'd call HBK the greatest tho). See, casual appeal and making a worldwide impact is great for the industry directly. The hardcore fans though are the ones that become a part of the business, and that's making an equally significant (albeit less direct) impact, imo.
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Default Re: Is being the biggest draw a good enough reason to be considered the goat?

i understand 80 percent of the population will go to see a curise movie over a pacino movie... cruises name alone makes the movie sell.... but at the same time pacino will win the award for best actor and also place higher in the all time greatest actors list while cruise is raking in the money.. and i can live with that one is rewarded in money the other rewarded for his ability with honors.

in wrestling the the biggest draw gets rewarded in both ( austin,hogan,rock) while the better wrestlers(actor) doesnt get the top spots on the lists and get shunted down to make room for the bigger draws or megastars.

wrestling and acting are not that different as we know wrestling is all acting.... so therefore the best actors/best wrestlers should be topping the best of lists and not the guys who are just able to make money and draw alone. imo

Flair should be above hogan in the goat list just like.
deniro comes in ahead of schwarzenegger on the goat of all time actors list and rightly so
HBK should be above Austin in the goat list just like
pacino comes in ahead of tom cruise in the goat actors list.
undertaker should be ahead of the rock just like
nicholson is ahead of dwayne johnson on the all time greatest actos list
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