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Old 09-28-2012, 10:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Tyrion makes a great point. Adam Sandler's movies gross the most out of any actor at the box office. Does that mean that he's GOAT at acting? Absolutely not. Just a guy who can draw really well.

I consider Jericho as one of my personal GOAT'S, and he never drew well. I focus more on talent and entertainment.
but that is the point im making sandler makes a lot of money and draws well but would never be considered as one of the greatest actors of all times... as he is a pretty average actor.

so how is hogan being able to draw and being average in almost every other aspect outside of charisma allowing him to be considered as one of the goat despite others being 100 times more talented than him and being lower placed....

samual l jackson is the highest grossing actor of all time and wouldnt even break the top 50 all time best actors list.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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again this talk of numbers/ratings, who cares? Punk matches the ability of the greatest mic workers/wrestlers of all time, but because of this stupid rating thing every week, people refuse to even praise him. This is just terrible.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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so in otherwards the goat are rewarded in wrestling due to keeping the business afloat/going ?

where as in the movie industry they can reward those on abilities ?

is that how you would say it ?
More or less.
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again this talk of numbers/ratings, who cares? Punk matches the ability of the greatest mic workers/wrestlers of all time, but because of this stupid rating thing every week, people refuse to even praise him. This is just terrible.
lol no he does not.
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There are a variety of reasons why a wrestler would be considered the G.O.A.T. Drawing is just one of them. Overall contribution to the business, merch sales, charisma, entertainment value, match quality, overall popularity and peer evalution also need to be considered. If you asked wrestlers who the G.O.A.T was and they answered if a non kayfabe way it would be Hulk Hogan. He has all those categories covered. I prefer Austin but Hogans the G.O.A.T.
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Default Re: Is being the biggest draw a good enough reason to be considered the goat?

Obviously I think The Rock is the greatest of all time, in every universe.

Watched his new 2012 DVD and he can do it all.
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Default Re: Is being the biggest draw a good enough reason to be considered the goat?

I feel like your just looking at wrestling ability. GOAT is much more than that. Whether you were a draw or not is also a part of it. It doesn't make up the whole thing but yes, a GOAT would have to be someone who drew fans in.

Hogan, Rock & Austin have also had a far great impact on the wrestling business than HBK & Taker. Are HBK & arguably Taker better wrestlers than all 3? yes but thats all they have on those 3. Hogan, Rock & Austin a far greater in terms of drawing ability & impact on the wrestling business. They have also had their far share of great matches so you can't say they were shit in-ring.
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Eh I'd say Undertaker is more well known outside of wrestling than Ric Flair is.
Undertaker may be even more well known than Stone Cold outside wrestling.But it doesn't matter much when his impact in wrestling is nothing compared to Stone Cold.


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Tyrion makes a great point. Adam Sandler's movies gross the most out of any actor at the box office. Does that mean that he's GOAT at acting? Absolutely not. Just a guy who can draw really well.
You make a fantastic point about Adam Sandler.

1.Take Al Pacino,Jack Nicholson,De Niro for example.They are fantastic actors.But there is no way they can strike gold at box office like Adam Sandler.Adam Sandler is a box office superstar since most of his movies run with nothing but his name value.De Niro greatest box office success has been Fockers and Shark Tale.Both ran due to a good script,Ben Stiller and Will SmithAt the end of the day,if I was a producer I would prefer to take a movie with Adam Sandler than De Niro.


2.HBK or Bret Hart may be two of the best wrestlers ever.But in pro-wrestling,the greatest wrestlers are people who have fantastic drawing ability.People like Hogan,Austin,Rock fit in that category


Can't compare actors to pro-wrestlers but it would roughly be something like this.

De Niro,Hoffman= Bret Hart,HBK

Cruise,Sandler,Smith,Hanks,RDJ=Hogan,Austin,Rock,Cena etc



My personal opinion is whether you are good actor or wrestler,it means nothing if you can't entertain.Bret Hart( or Al Pacino)may be vastly superior in wrestling( or acting) but I prefer entertainers like Austin( or Cruise)
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Well, you're implying that Bret Hart is a better wrestler than Steve Austin. I completely disagree with that. Austin is absolutely a Deniro, and better than Bret if you ask me.

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so how is hogan being able to draw and being average in almost every other aspect outside of charisma allowing him to be considered as one of the goat despite others being 100 times more talented than him and being lower placed....
The comparison doesn't work because the nature of the two parts are so different. When people call Hulk Hogan a draw, it means a lot more than just selling out arenas. He was responsible for a huge boom in the popularity of the industry. He inspired an entire generation, and created unforgettable moments in the history of, not only the sport, but the culture as well. When Adam Sandler makes big money at the box office for another travesty of a film, it doesn't check any of the boxes Hogan checks. Jack and Jill is not the equivalent of body slamming Andre at Wrestlemania. You just can't compare the two.

The entire film industry also doesn't depend on three or four guys to make all their money. It's tons of different companies, directors, actors, etc. If Will Smith drops dead today, the film industry doesn't miss a beat. If John Cena dies tonight, wrestling may have a problem.
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The goal of any wrestling promoter is to make money. If one guy is drawing more money then the rest that puts him on the top level. The greatest of all time is the superstar that has been the biggest draw in professional wrestling. It's Hulk Hogan.
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