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Old 10-09-2012, 11:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I think he makes a decent point, but there are exceptions to every rule. Ric Flair isnt a huge guy by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is macho Man Randy Savage, Roddy piper and Bret Hart. So there are some smaller guys who can draw houses. But in general, theres been a larger percentage of big guys who draw for wrestling than small guys with no personality.
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It's an interesting call. I would say that: size is one of the factors which makes the "IT factor" in general. but I wouldn't say it's a must. in order to be THE top gay of the company, there is one thing you must have and it's the "bigger than life" thing. If we take a look on the past-present top gays of the best known companies (WWE, WCW, etc), the vast majority were bigger than life (perhaps only Bret Hart, HBK and Flair are not fit to this roll). but surelly not all of them were/ are big guys:

Hulk Hogan in the 80's & early 90's: a big man
Ultimate Warrior in late 80's & early 90's: avarage
Bill Goldberg of the late 90's, in WCW days: not this big. I would say avarage
Steve Austin in the late 90's: not big at all, even below avarage
The Rock in the late 90's & early 2000's: avarage
John Cena in the last 7 years: avarage
Undertaker in the last couple of years: a huge man

you can easilly see that the majority of those mega-stars weren't that big in size. some have the bad-ass look, like Warrior, Hogan, Taker and Goldberg, while some haven't- Rock, Austin, and Cena.
but all of them had that thing of "bigger than life". everything about them was sensational to the fans. when their music played you knew something big is going to happen. when they got a big (and sometimes dangerous) mission to do you knew they will survive and will end as victorious. when they were prepered to a big clash with their ennemies in the ring you knew they will be with the upperhand, at the end. and all of that for one reason: they were bigger than life. some of them were believable and some of them totally not, but in the end of the day there are 2 ellements which metter the most: booking and crowd reactions. those top guys mentioned above were booked very strongly and were connected with the audience perfectlly. that's what made their character so big.
some have the bad-ass look, like Warrior, Hogan, Taker and Goldberg, while some haven't- Rock, Austin, and Cena
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How are Rock (billed as 6'5" 260lbs) and Goldberg (billed as 6'4" 285lbs) just "average size"?
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I think this "Small guys don't draw," thing is a bit of a farce. Looking back in the day, neither Michaels nor Hart were huge guys. On the other side, Sting in the WCW days didn't seem to stand any taller than Punk even though he was billed as larger.

Sure, bring out the roided out circus freaks to draw attention, but the paragons of performance have always been smaller and faster and more nimble than grotesque. And just personally, I'd rather watch 20 minutes of Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko, 60 minutes of prime HBK/Hart, or even Punk and Daniel Bryan than a fingerpoke of doom between Hogan and Nash or a shambling Khali or snorting Ryback or (as I used to call him back in the day) Goldbore.
In general it is not a farce. Timing, exectuion, talent and performance means a lot, also to have that "it factor".

But however, in general bigger is better, and I think anyone with a degree in marketing agree to that statement. There is a reason why they did The Hulk in the recent avengers movie by CGI. Because people in general want's to see over the top characters. And since Vince want's to target the mass audience, because there is where the money are. He should push guys that are over the top. That menas big guys, but also smaller guys like Misterio who gets over not jsut becasue he is talented, but also because of his gimmick, and that he appeal to the mexican market a lot too.

Bret Hard and Sean Michaels never drew monter houses like Warrior or Hogan did. Srue they drew, but not jsut as much. For them to have drawn that extra bit Stone Cold and The Rock did,they need that rare "extra extra" it factor, and to have the right exectuion of storylines and to have a strong economy in the country in general.
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It's an interesting call. I would say that: size is one of the factors which makes the "IT factor" in general. but I wouldn't say it's a must. in order to be THE top gay of the company, there is one thing you must have and it's the "bigger than life" thing. If we take a look on the past-present top gays of the best known companies (WWE, WCW, etc), the vast majority were bigger than life (perhaps only Bret Hart, HBK and Flair are not fit to this roll). but surelly not all of them were/ are big guys:

Hulk Hogan in the 80's & early 90's: a big man
Ultimate Warrior in late 80's & early 90's: avarage
Bill Goldberg of the late 90's, in WCW days: not this big. I would say avarageSteve Austin in the late 90's: not big at all, even below avarage The Rock in the late 90's & early 2000's: avarage
John Cena in the last 7 years: avarage
Undertaker in the last couple of years: a huge man

you can easilly see that the majority of those mega-stars weren't that big in size. some have the bad-ass look, like Warrior, Hogan, Taker and Goldberg, while some haven't- Rock, Austin, and Cena. but all of them had that thing of "bigger than life". everything about them was sensational to the fans. when their music played you knew something big is going to happen. when they got a big (and sometimes dangerous) mission to do you knew they will survive and will end as victorious. when they were prepered to a big clash with their ennemies in the ring you knew they will be with the upperhand, at the end. and all of that for one reason: they were bigger than life. some of them were believable and some of them totally not, but in the end of the day there are 2 ellements which metter the most: booking and crowd reactions. those top guys mentioned above were booked very strongly and were connected with the audience perfectlly. that's what made their character so big.
some have the bad-ass look, like Warrior, Hogan, Taker and Goldberg, while some haven't- Rock, Austin, and Cena
I've highlighted my personal favourite parts of your post.

Austin was the biggest badass the company has ever had.
Only Hogan and Warrior may have been the top gays.
Bret Hart is the GOAT and he's pretty small.
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Austin isn't big? Put him next to punk, he must be 20lbs heavier atleast...hes a terrifyingly hench man!
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Wade Barrett.

Except it will never happen because he's English.
I personally don't rate Wade Barrett that much at all.
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To say smaller guys dont draw is slapping the rich history of pro wrestling and not looking at the grand scheme of whether bigger guys are the draws. Let's look at Buddy Rogers, Bob Backlund, Gorgeous George, men who have drawn and contributed massively to the medium. How about Sammartino a small guy with a great physique, one of the greatest draws and was well loved and respected. Austin never seemed like a huge guy, but his personality helped hide that as he was so larger than life, so was Flair's and Piper's. Heck Kurt Angle was small, but he portrayed a character where he could legit beat you up, so did Benoit.

It's not about whether you are a big guy, it's about making a connection with the fans and that's what ultimately cements your legacy. Andre the Giant was loved by the nation, Hogan during his run was a national hero until scandals hit, The Rock is now a darling for the media. They became great because of the connection their performance gave to the fans. Sadly we can't say that about Kevin Nash.
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Old ECW Taz.

Really small, but legit.

For me, that's how to book smaller guys.
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