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Old 10-08-2012, 06:04 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Small guys might not draw, but I don't choose my entertainment based on what attracts the biggest part of the masses. I look for quality and the best wrestlers in history, as far as my tastes go, have been smaller guys. Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Punk etc are people I'd always pick over the big roid monkeys. Of course there has been a few big men that's been really good as well. I was always interested in seeing Lesnar in the ring, but Nash was definitely never one of those.

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Boxing/MMA comparisons don't work when it comes to a 'fake' TV show. With boxers and MMA fighters everybody knows they are fighting in a legitimate competitive event. There is no suspension of disbelief because it's real. In WWE, that isn't the case and they aren't the same thing. The vast majority of casual fans are tuning in to see the guys they won't normally see on the street everyday. That's why Daniel Bryan could never do or be to them what John Cena is to them. It doesn't work that way. I hate to drag this up but just look at the problems Punk is having and he isn't even that small. Getting people to buy into you as a main event star is one thing. Getting them to buy into you as THE main even star is something different entirely. You need to have the physical presence to pull it off which is once again why guys like Cena play the leading man role and guys like Bryan play as a member of the supporting cast.
While I agree to a point I don't think it's as drastic of a difference as you put it. In boxing/MMA you still have the lingering aspect that the smaller guys can't beat the HW's, so the best fighter in practical terms is the best HW. What the weight classes show, however, is that there are other ways of defining what "the best" is. It can, for example, be the guy with the best technique, which you won't find in the HW division.

Even in boxing/MMA you'll still generally get the less educated masses the most interested in the HW's, so the phenomenon is still there. Of course the biggest current draws are Mayweather Jr and GSP, in their respective sports, so it is possible to change that, and the same should be possible in wrestling. It would take some work to get there though, just as it took time before people started getting real interest in the lower weight classes in boxing when it began.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:32 PM   #32 (permalink)
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As for a smaller guy who could have made it as face of the company, I feel Jericho would have been up for it. One of the few smaller guys at the time who had the complete package.

I view the Benoit/Guerrero pushes similar to the HBK/Bret pushes. Vince was coming off of losing his 2 biggest stars and had to do something to keep the wheels turning and took a chance. It both cases, it benefited the careers of those involved, but not so much WWE. Also, Bret was given 4-5 years as the top main eventer in the company, with HBK close by. Benoit & Guerrero would bounce around between main event to mid card because, IMO, it was never Vince's intention to make either man a legit main eventer, considering WWE had been grooming Cena & Orton to become stars, 2 guys who mirrored the recipe of success that Vince hit big with nearly 20 years prior.

Also, I can't help but think that if Brock never left, possibly Eddie, Chris or both would have never got that main event opportunity, as Brock staying would have really shook things up.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Do you think CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are short? Because I would say that being 6'1 is tall and 5'10 is average.
Well I know Bryan once said he was 5'8 and I'm not sure about Punk.

Punk isn't that short at all. He is about the same height as Cena which is normal. Punk just isn't roided up like cena and that's why people refer him as a small guy. Punk has well build arms/legs but his core is not that special.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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The comparison to boxing isn't very useful. Mayweather only fights one night a year. Pacquiao fights two nights a year. And it's a real sport.

Whoever is the face of WWE has to star 52x a year in a weekly TV show and 13x a year in PPVs. And that's not counting all the house shows.

Size is a huge part of what pro wrestling is about. You have to look the part -- just like with any TV show. Casual fans just aren't that interested in seeing slim, fit guys wrestle -- except as the exception. You can have an occasional Jeff Hardy type build. An occasional Daniel Bryan (who has added a lot of muscle mass since he's joined WWE and is no longer slim.)

And most of the smaller guys who've succeeded -- HBK, Guerrero, etc -- were super-jacked. HBK was huge in his earlier years. Compare their physique to typical UFC fight physiques.

Anderson Silva is 6'2 and fights at 185. GSP is 5'10 170. (These are fighting weights) Carlos Condit is 6'2 170. Benson Henderson is 5'9, 155.

Compared to UFC fighters, even the smaller WWE guys carry around huge amounts of upper body mass.

You could have a show filled with super-fit, 6'0 170 lb legit UFC guys jumping around the ring and people just wouldn't watch. They would just look too small.

This doesn't mean there isn't a place for smaller guys in WWE -- even at the main event level -- just that the norm will always be the bigger guys. Especially for whoever is the face of the company (Hogan, Austin, Rock, Triple H, Cena, etc).
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I don't think it should matter but ultimately big strong guys get over, especially with young boys who really look up to that kind of thing
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I don't think it should matter but ultimately big strong guys get over, especially with young boys who really look up to that kind of thing
That's not a great thing to promote to kid (since i guess WWE is a kids company now). Kids can succeed only if they are born with exceptional genes that would allow them to be 6'4" and build 260lbs of muscle.

WWE could try to push a small guy as a every-man type dude. Daniel Bryan is the perfect example. He is average in height/build Spent 10 years working his ass off to make his dreams come true. Incurred many injuries but pushed on when many people would have quit. And finally makes it to the top. Thats a great success story and people love stories of the underdog that comes through with willpower and determination.
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I hate those stupid ''small guys'', it looks so gay when they beat a guy who's twice their size. Main eventers should look like WRESTLERS. Intimidating, not boring midgets. Eat vegetables and lift some weights. You have to actually do more than be spot monkies. You have to do promos that are actually good, you have to put asses in seats, at least more than 50 chairs, which is what you all are used to. And you have to draw a crowd, at least more than 100 people, which are the only people who want to watch indy wrestling. WWE needs to put titles on big men like Ryback
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I hate those stupid ''small guys'', it looks so gay when they beat a guy who's twice their size. Main eventers should look like WRESTLERS. Intimidating, not boring midgets. Eat vegetables and lift some weights. You have to actually do more than be spot monkies. You have to do promos that are actually good, you have to put asses in seats, at least more than 50 chairs, which is what you all are used to. And you have to draw a crowd, at least more than 100 people, which are the only people who want to watch indy wrestling. WWE needs to put titles on big men like Ryback
And Zeke and Mason Ryan and Khali and any other talentless body builder that wants to be on TV.

Not saying Ryback suck as much as them, but just being big shouldn't qualify someone to be a top guy. If there is a big guy that has the skill and endurance to go in the ring, I am fine with it. I was okay with it when Brock was going to be the no.1 guy (even though I thought he was best as a heel)

People would pay to see a average-height guy if WWE booked them well. To be an action star doesn't require a actor to be 6'6". Christian Bale isn't nearly as big as the comics portray Batman as, but the Dark Knight trilogy has made a crapload of money. Even in the age of excess known as the 80's (especially in action movies) Stallone (5'9") was just as popular as Arnie (6'2").
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Size doesn't matter. I can enjoy both Rey Mysterio and The Undertaker.
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