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Old 10-08-2012, 01:49 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Randy Orton

Mic Work (just the eloquence) - 3
Promo Skills - 3
Charisma - 3
In Ring ability - 4
Storytelling - 5
Ring Psychology - 5

Don't have anything against the guy, but he just bores me.

Titus O'Neil

Mic Work (just the eloquence) - 2
Promo Skills - 1
Charisma - 2
In Ring ability - -1 000 000
Storytelling 1
Ring Psychology - 2

Titus O'Neil sucks.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:52 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Mic Work - 1
Promo Skills - 1
Charisma - 3
In Ring ability - 3
Storytelling - 2
Ring Psychology - 3
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:51 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Give me one match that is better than Kurt Angle matches.
Cena's match with Lesnar tops anything Angle ever done.

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He's the goat because he has a real wrestling background and he back it up in the ring with anyone.
Irrelevant. This isn't shoot style wrestling. Having a background doesn't translate into being a good pro wrestler. Look at Jack Swagger and Davey Richards.

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Go ask Cena himself and he will tell you with a smile in his face that Kurt is better.
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Kurt Angle in the WWE was constant with his work whether in the ring or on the mic something you don't see everyday.
I never said anything bad about Angle on the mic. He's pretty good.

Cena's much more consistent that Angle though. Name me a couple of good Angle matches that all happened in the space of 6 months. In the last 6 months alone, Cena has put on MOTYCs with Lesnar, Punk and Bryan.

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since when does Cena even sells moves, have a clue dude.
This is rich coming from an Angle fan.

Angle never long-term sold moves and all that. He would sell them decently until it was time to bust out the 3 or 4 Angle Slams to finish the match. No long term selling = bad seller.

Cena's main fault is his Superman comebacks but they happened much less than people think. If you want to see an example of Cena selling well, check out his match with Mysterio and Lesnar.

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Whether you like him or not, it's not my problem that you're so PG and have a little knowledge about the past.
Funny you say that, but they were PG long before the Attitude Era started, pal. Wrestling meant to be PG as well. It's for kids, you know.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:19 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Kurt Angle was a great wrestler, his only real problem was that he couldn't structure and lay out his matches so that they ran smooth, it's all well and good having a great move set but you need to know when to use each move, Angle has a problem off just whipping out moves like his German suplex's and Angle slam's for the fun of them rather then using them at the right point of his matches so that they have an impact.

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Randy Orton

Mic Work - 2
Promo Skills - 3
Charisma - 3
In Ring ability - 5
Storytelling - 4
Ring Psychology - 5
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:36 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Is TNA allowed?

Miss Tessmacher
Mic Work (just the eloquence): 2
Promo Skills: 1
Charisma: 3
In Ring ability: 2
Storytelling: 2
Ring Psychology: 1

OK, and from WWE...

John Cena
Mic Work (just the eloquence): 4
Promo Skills: 5
Charisma: 3
In Ring ability: 2
Storytelling: 4
Ring Psychology: 4
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:49 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Kurt Angle

Mic Work - 4 - Guy can work the crowd really well.
Promo Skills - 4 - Can also cut some really good promos, be they funny or serious.
Charisma - 4 - Looks like a star the moment you see him.
In Ring ability - 5 - Yeah, full marks. Guy can probably execute any move he wants at any given time and make it look good.
Storytelling/Ring Psychology - 0 - Guy doesn't have a fucking clue how to structure a match, how to sell, how to tell a story. He's all about the MOVES~! and nothing more. Pro wrestling is about telling stories. That's what THEY say btw, not me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4DWg8OHSo0 about 1min 10secs in). Its not my opinion, its basically a fact as the people who are pro wrestlers say that's what wrestling is. So if someone can't do that, then are they a good pro wrestler? NO. And Kurt Angle falls into that category. Doesn't mean he can't have good matches, because if he's wrestling someone who does know how to tell a story, he can follow along great (not CARRIED btw, but follow the story and hold up his own). When he's left to his own devices he just forgets that storytelling exists and throws out moves.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:16 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Cena's match with Lesnar tops anything Angle ever done.



Irrelevant. This isn't shoot style wrestling. Having a background doesn't translate into being a good pro wrestler. Look at Jack Swagger and Davey Richards.



Quote on this, please?



I never said anything bad about Angle on the mic. He's pretty good.

Cena's much more consistent that Angle though. Name me a couple of good Angle matches that all happened in the space of 6 months. In the last 6 months alone, Cena has put on MOTYCs with Lesnar, Punk and Bryan.



This is rich coming from an Angle fan.

Angle never long-term sold moves and all that. He would sell them decently until it was time to bust out the 3 or 4 Angle Slams to finish the match. No long term selling = bad seller.

Cena's main fault is his Superman comebacks but they happened much less than people think. If you want to see an example of Cena selling well, check out his match with Mysterio and Lesnar.



Funny you say that, but they were PG long before the Attitude Era started, pal. Wrestling meant to be PG as well. It's for kids, you know.
I cant really believe a Lesnar/Cena was his best match, Lesnar was kicking Cenas ass all over the ring. Well if thats why you liked it, then I liked it for the same reason but I know know for sure that your taste sucks. I like seeing an equel match.

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM.
Kurt Angle vs Lesnar SS or WM.
Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit RR or WM or SD match.
Kurt Angle vs Edge Hairs match.
Kurt Angle vs Taker NWO.
Kurt Angle vs Eddie WM.
Kurt Angle vs Kane WM.
Angle vs Shane at KOTR.
Kurt Angle vs Jericho vs Benoit WM.
Kurt Angle vs Mysterio vs Orton WM.
Kurt Angle vs Rocky NWO.
Kurt Angle vs Austin SS.
Etc. And a lot more of great matches.

Cena best matches is with Michaels, Edge, Punk, Umaga, Batista. That's it. Not bad but he's not good enough to put on the same quality with others. I never had a problem of Angle not selling some moves but bringing that up when Cena is in comparison is pretty laughable. Also no I find Angle 10x more entertaining than Cena will ever be in WWE.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:43 AM   #78 (permalink)
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I cant really believe a Lesnar/Cena was his best match, Lesnar was kicking Cenas ass all over the ring. Well if thats why you liked it, then I liked it for the same reason but I know know for sure that your taste sucks. I like seeing an equel match.

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM.
Kurt Angle vs Lesnar SS or WM.
Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit RR or WM or SD match.
Kurt Angle vs Edge Hairs match.
Kurt Angle vs Taker NWO.
Kurt Angle vs Eddie WM.
Kurt Angle vs Kane WM.
Angle vs Shane at KOTR.
Kurt Angle vs Jericho vs Benoit WM.
Kurt Angle vs Mysterio vs Orton WM.
Kurt Angle vs Rocky NWO.
Kurt Angle vs Austin SS.
Etc. And a lot more of great matches.

Cena best matches is with Michaels, Edge, Punk, Umaga, Batista. That's it. Not bad but he's not good enough to put on the same quality with others. I never had a problem of Angle not selling some moves but bringing that up when Cena is in comparison is pretty laughable. Also no I find Angle 10x more entertaining than Cena will ever be in WWE.
I think that just the clips from this 15 minute video are worth more then Cena's whole wrestling career would be if he wrestled for another 20 years

Also, i always lol when i hear people list Cena's match with Lesnar as good. Guy just walks and stumbles around while Lesnar practically choreographs his every step, lumbering his sorry ass for the 95% of the match. They might have as well put a bag of corn to wrestle that match in Cena's place, it wouldn't devaluate it one bit. Cena could have just switched places with the bag in the last 15 seconds to do that retarded fireman slam.

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Old 10-08-2012, 07:49 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Cody Rhodes, gimmickless version

Mic Work 2'5
Promo Skills 3
Charisma 1
In Ring ability 3'25
Storytelling 1'5
Ring Psychology 2'5

The Miz

Mic Work 4
Promo Skills 3
Charisma 3
In Ring ability 1
Storytelling 1'5
Ring Psychology 1'75

Jack Swagger

Mic Work 2
Promo Skills 1
Charisma 1
In Ring ability 3
Storytelling 2
Ring Psychology 1'5

Michael McGillicutty

Mic Work 1
Promo Skills 1
Charisma 1
In Ring ability 3
Storytelling 1'5
Ring Psychology 2

Derrick Bateman

Mic Work 1
Promo Skills 2
Charisma 1'5
In Ring ability 2'5
Storytelling 2'5
Ring Psychology 1'5

Jinder Mahal

Mic Work 2
Promo Skills 1
Charisma 1'25
In Ring ability 1
Storytelling 1
Ring Psychology 1'5

Kofi Kingston

Mic Work 2'5
Promo Skills 2
Charisma 3'5
In Ring ability 2
Storytelling 1
Ring Psychology 3

You should add "look" or "character" I think.
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I cant really believe a Lesnar/Cena was his best match, Lesnar was kicking Cenas ass all over the ring. Well if thats why you liked it, then I liked it for the same reason but I know know for sure that your taste sucks. I like seeing an equel match.
I could say the same about your taste. Who's to say an one-sided match can't be exciting? Most of Angle's matches are equal in the way that usually him and his opponent just get there shit in and trade finishers and near-falls.

Lesnar/Cena was fantastic because how Cena sold that beating and how unstoppable Lesnar looked. Cena has to over come the odds and find a way to defeat Lesnar. It had a decent story, which most Angle matches don't even both to include and that's the point of pro-wrestling.

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Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM. Good match but HBK out-wrestling Angle pisses me off. How comes Angle can't hold his own against HBK on the mat?
Kurt Angle vs Lesnar SS or WM. Can't remember clearly.
Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit RR or WM or SD match. Overrated. Some fun moments in them but the grappling feels artificial and dull.
Kurt Angle vs Edge Hairs match. Decent at best.
Kurt Angle vs Taker NWO. I haven't seen it.
Kurt Angle vs Eddie WM. Can't remember clearly.
Kurt Angle vs Kane WM. Decent at best.
Angle vs Shane at KOTR. Can't remember clearly.
Kurt Angle vs Jericho vs Benoit WM. Decent at best.
Kurt Angle vs Mysterio vs Orton WM. Fun match but nothing more. Certainly not WM-worthy.
Kurt Angle vs Rocky NWO. Average.
Kurt Angle vs Austin SS. Angle's best match. No complaints on this one.
Etc. And a lot more of great matches. List me some more then.
Filled that in for yah.

Cena's body of work smokes that...

Cena vs Umaga RR.
Cena vs Lesnar ER.
Cena vs Punk MiTB, SS and NOC.
Cena vs HBK WM and Raw '07 & '09.
Cena vs Mysterio Raw '11.
Cena vs JBL JD '05.
Cena vs Edge UF '06.
Cena vs Batista WM and ER.
Cena vs HHH vs HBK SS.
Cena vs HHH NOC.

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