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BHfeva · 10-08-2012, 12:04 PM

Sheamus

Mic Work - 2
Promo Skills - 3.5
Charisma - 3.5
In Ring ability - 4
Storytelling/RingPsych - 3

Then again, i think Sheamus has potential, as a heel.

**Cactus** · 10-08-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Walk-In

Stop feeding the troll. He's obviously a previously banned re-registered troll. Just put him on your ignore list like I did & move on. It's a fruitless argument to try to have on WrestlingForum.com anyway as almost everyone here is just WWE spoon fed apologist that were told for years that Angle (and HBK) are great. If you want to have a convo like this, it needs to be with people that watch more than just WWE & were alive before Stone Cold was hitting Stunners on Vince. The appeal of these forums is the amount of activity, not the gripping conversation. If you want to have a discussion on a minority opinion, it needs to be with open-minded people that are willing to converse, not immature people that just say "lol ur wrong."

Point taken.

It's shocking how the WWE hype machine has lead people to believe that Angle was a great worker, Austin was the biggest draw they ever had and HBK is the greatest worker to ever lace a pair of boots.

Quite sad really.

Jim Force · 10-08-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Walk-In

A lot of it is also fans that don't realize they're being worked by WWE because they think they're too smart for that. A guy gets a gimmick for being a great wrestler, like Kurt Angle, and suddenly he's a top 10 all-time talent despite not knowing shit & peaking in his first four years.

Dude, the thread you posted is full of artsy-fartsy bozos living in a parallel "professional rasslin" universe in which they compare wrestling to ice figure skating. Meanwhile, here, in the real world, the art of wrestling still exists, too, and the masters of this craft compete with each other on a semi-regular basis.

You´re trying to tell us that the man who won an olympic gold medal with a broken neck is "not that good" compared to Junkyard Dog and John Cena?

RyanPelley · 10-08-2012, 01:31 PM

Rey Mysterio:

Mic Work (just the eloquence)- 1
Promo Skills- 1
Charisma- 7
In Ring ability- 4 (Them injuries. Really hate seeing a non-jumping splash from a 150 pounder defeating people)
Storytelling- 3 (David vs. Goliath for the five thousandth time)
Ring Psychology- 1

**Cactus** · 10-08-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Force

Dude, the thread you posted is full of artsy-fartsy bozos living in a parallel "professional rasslin" universe in which they compare wrestling to ice figure skating. Meanwhile, here, in the real world, the art of wrestling still exists, too, and the masters of this craft compete with each other on a semi-regular basis.

You´re trying to tell us that the man who won an olympic gold medal with a broken neck is "not that good" compared to Junkyard Dog and John Cena?

You seem to think that Angle having a legit background is a legit credential on being a good worker. Think about this, Lawler is considered a much better worker than Angle and he's an out of shape man who moveset consisted on a fist drop, dropkick and piledriver. It's not about how many big spots you can do, it's about how you use them.

Jim Force · 10-08-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactus

You seem to think that Angle having a legit background is a legit credential on being a good worker. Think about this, Lawler is considered a much better worker than Angle and he's an out of shape man who moveset consisted on a fist drop, dropkick and piledriver. It's not about how many big spots you can do, it's about how you use them.

...which is completely subjective, of course. Furthermore, the style and the environment Lawler worked in was radically different from today´s product, which makes the comparison pretty much invalid to begin with. Probably a bunch of old people on that forum, who wish we still had territories, putting their childhood heroes on a pedestal.

Let´s just end this argument here and not derail this thread any further. I like Kurt Angle, you like Lawler and Cena. I put emphasis on actual wrestling ability, you on "Sports Entertainment". We both like a good show, so there´s that.

hardysno1fan · 10-08-2012, 02:07 PM

Khali

Mat Wrestling: 0
Ariel Wrestling: 0
Brawling: 2
Tempo: 0 (slowest fucker i've ever seen)
consistency: 10 (consistently awful)
selling: 6
athleticism: 0
mic skills: 0 (cant speak english)
charisma: 3 (looks lost a lot)
timing/spots: 2 (anyone remember the over the top rope match against Edge and he walked out the ring, over the top rope? Or when he won his first WHC and he lifted it up upside down? The camera man had to say 'other way round!'.Stupid!)
look: 8 (if he wasnt that tall and strong he'd be unemployed.

BrothersofD3struct · 10-08-2012, 02:09 PM

Lol, Kurt Angle > John Cena.

End of story.

Pro Royka · 10-08-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactus

I could say the same about your taste. Who's to say an one-sided match can't be exciting? Most of Angle's matches are equal in the way that usually him and his opponent just get there shit in and trade finishers and near-falls.

Lesnar/Cena was fantastic because how Cena sold that beating and how unstoppable Lesnar looked. Cena has to over come the odds and find a way to defeat Lesnar. It had a decent story, which most Angle matches don't even both to include and that's the point of pro-wrestling.

Filled that in for yah.

Cena's body of work smokes that...

Cena vs Umaga RR.
Cena vs Lesnar ER.
Cena vs Punk MiTB, SS and NOC.
Cena vs HBK WM and Raw '07 & '09.
Cena vs Mysterio Raw '11.
Cena vs JBL JD '05.
Cena vs Edge UF '06.
Cena vs Batista WM and ER.
Cena vs HHH vs HBK SS.
Cena vs HHH NOC.

All carryjobs right?

Full of BS on how good/bad you think the matches were. And if you didn't watch some of them, then why are you basing your opinion exactly.

That list is shit, so many of them were average at best nothing special.

More:
Kurt Angle & Benoit vs Edge & Mysterio.
Kurt Angle vs Michaels Vengeance.
Kurt Angle vs Hogan. Made him tape out.
Kurt Angle vs Taker vs Rikishi vs Trips vs Rock vs Austin HIAC.
Kurt Angle vs Trips Unforgiven.
Kurt Angle vs Trips vs Rocky SS.
Kurt Angle vs Jericho 2002.
Kurt Angle vs Rock vs Undertaker Vengeance.
Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe - Lockdown 2008.

I don't know I think this will end up at you saying Cena is better than Benoit too.

**ChromeMan** · 10-08-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by greendayedgehead

Tensai:

Mic Work *fart noise*
Promo Skills *fart noise*
Charisma *fart noise*
In Ring ability *fart noise*
Ring Psychology *fart noise*1/2

Anyways.

Big Show:

Mic Work - 2
Promo Skills - 2
Charisma - 3
In-ring ability - 1
Storytelling - 2
Ring Psychology - 1