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***Headliner*** · 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by #PushKofiKingston

Orton doesn't fit it either. Is he still an asshole in real life? Yes but his character is as face as John Cena.

Did he not RKO the World Champion recently?

**Mr.Cricket** · 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM

Randy Orton. He likes to punt people in the head for fun. That's badass.

chronoxiong · 10-05-2012, 10:55 PM

Because when they become badass, the fans start liking them, cheer for them and then the WWE is forced to turn them face. Then from there, they start doing things that aren't badass thus killing the character that they built up and got over with. See Randy Orton as the perfect example of this routine. This is why it's hard to keep a wrestler as a badass.

Mr. Fluffykins · 10-05-2012, 11:00 PM

Ryback and Orton are the Badass faces.

**JOAL.com** · 10-06-2012, 12:48 AM

desnt sheamus just spend all his time kicking people in the head?

and orton really has been isolated for a while. He enjoys kicking people, RKOing anyone, flipping off the crowd. Doesnt give a shit, at all

i mean, i dont understand, what do you mean by attacking heels for no reason? because id argue Austin had plenty of good reasons to attack Vince back in the day. infact id argue Austin was pretty cookie cutter. Very little of the stuff he did could be seen as heelish. Hed bail out faces (mick foley), hed beat the shit out of vince (the guy hurting him and the wwf audience), hed attack vince's goons because theyre trying to screw him. He rarely attacked faces, he rarely attacked anyone who didnt deserve it. Even his feud with bret was over how Bret was becoming a crybaby.

I mean the only guys I'd argue who really were anti heroes were Rock and Taker. Rock near the end of his 98 run where he was still insulting the audience, being a dick, trying to kill Foley and Austin, but somehow got cheered. And Taker in his 2008 run could fight his way through an army of refs, tombstone women, and generally fuck up anyone he wanted in an act of rage and still get cheered.

What do you mean by badass face? Because I think the term you're really looking for is warm nostalgia from when you used to watch wrestling when you were younger. They may not have much character but Sheamus, Ryback and Orton are the children of Austin, Goldberg and Triple H.

Post-Modern Devil · 10-06-2012, 01:03 AM

Why the hell does being a "badass" mean you also have to be an amoral sociopath? You don't see Batman randomly mugging innocent civilians just because he's awesome.

Shawn Morrison · 10-06-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chronoxiong

Because when they become badass, the fans start liking them, cheer for them and then the WWE is forced to turn them face. Then from there, they start doing things that aren't badass thus killing the character that they built up and got over with. See Randy Orton as the perfect example of this routine. This is why it's hard to keep a wrestler as a badass.

its not hard, WWE just wants to make every face the kissing babies, hugging fat girls, type of face. Sheamus got over as a Angry Bad-ass Irish, not what they have made him now. Triple-H was face for a long time and stayed bad-ass/egoistic.

**JOAL.com** · 10-06-2012, 09:49 AM

when was this badass triple H face

PotterNo1 · 10-06-2012, 09:53 AM

Ryback fills that role I suppose although there still seems to be some confusion around about whether he is meant to be a face or not :-P

Iormungand · 10-06-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PotterNo1

Ryback fills that role I suppose although there still seems to be some confusion around about whether he is meant to be a face or not :-P

Yeah, prior to saving a few legends lately, he did seem to show some apathy or even disdain to local jobbers, so he's either a badass/monster face or a tweener. Given his recent actions, I'm given the impression their pushing for face reactions from the crowd until Cena is ready for HiaC.