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JaredStyles96 · 10-05-2012, 02:08 PM

TNA is a godsend. Hopefully WWE revive themselves from this utter crap right now though, competition forces the other company to consistently improve which is a great thing.

HotRhymez · 10-05-2012, 02:10 PM

God I hate threads like this. WWE doesn't need blood or swearing to be good..and Smackdown has always been PG hasn't it?

And them supporting breast cancer awareness is a good thing, not a bad thing.

**Shazayum** · 10-05-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Asenath

The Attitude Era was terrible - and most of the high points could have been created without the blatant gross-out, t & a, and "adult" content. The themes that carried the best stories (Man vs. Authority, romantic intrigue, and issues of identity) rely more on the writers' timing and wrestlers performance than gore and boobies.

Disagree with it being "terrible", but I agree that most of the greatest times during that era weren't made by sex appeal and blood.

stonefort · 10-05-2012, 02:39 PM

Look, it's almost impossible for anything to be "edgy" these days with the internet. If you want sex or violence or cursing then there's a million things just a click away that are 100x more edgy than anything that WWE -- or anybody -- can put on TV.

The whole "edgy" thing is when people see or hear things for the first time. Cursing on TV can't shock people when the average youtube comment has more cursing that the entire Attitude Era. And bra and panty matches don't have quite the same effect in the age of internet porn. And some blood from a blade job doesn't have quite the same impact in a world with seven Saw movie sequels you can grab at RedBox.

There's almost nothing WWE can do that would actually shock the audience any more. So it's pointless to try. Everybody has the internet, we've seen it all already.

GillbergReturns · 10-05-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Hands

Asenath's right, guys - the best bits of the Attitude Era could be recreated wonderfully in a PG show. They just don't have the creative juices to do it.

Not likely.

Austin's entire gimmick fails the PG test. Do you really think that if WWE took away him giving everyone the middle finger, drinking beer, swearing that he'd still be as over?

Not a chance.

I don't have a problem with the PG era and I understand why WWE isn't going away from it but you can't recreate the Attitude era within the restraints of PG television. The era was a short term evolution of the product.

GillbergReturns · 10-05-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stonefort

Look, it's almost impossible for anything to be "edgy" these days with the internet. If you want sex or violence or cursing then there's a million things just a click away that are 100x more edgy than anything that WWE -- or anybody -- can put on TV.

The whole "edgy" thing is when people see or hear things for the first time. Cursing on TV can't shock people when the average youtube comment has more cursing that the entire Attitude Era. And bra and panty matches don't have quite the same effect in the age of internet porn. And some blood from a blade job doesn't have quite the same impact in a world with seven Saw movie sequels you can grab at RedBox.

There's almost nothing WWE can do that would actually shock the audience any more. So it's pointless to try. Everybody has the internet, we've seen it all already.

There's also boundries nowadays that they can't cross. The banned moved list and wrestler safety goes way beyond PG television. The long term effects of concussions are now just being fully understood and WWE just can't go back to sledgehammer/ chair shots to the head. WWE got away with alot during the Attitude era and that kind of wrecklessness just isn't going fly nowadays.

A guy breaks his neck on a move and that move is being put on the shelf. They have to be more proactive in regards to a wrestlers safety.

nevereveragainu · 10-05-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JaredStyles96

TNA is a godsend. Hopefully WWE revive themselves from this utter crap right now though, competition forces the other company to consistently improve which is a great thing.

back in 2006 and or 2010 i would have agreed with you but now i say the godsend is video sites

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Originally Posted by HotRhymez

God I hate threads like this. WWE doesn't need blood or swearing to be good..

what does it need then?

**Mister Hands** · 10-05-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GillbergReturns

Not likely.

Austin's entire gimmick fails the PG test. Do you really think that if WWE took away him giving everyone the middle finger, drinking beer, swearing that he'd still be as over?

Not a chance.

I don't have a problem with the PG era and I understand why WWE isn't going away from it but you can't recreate the Attitude era within the restraints of PG television. The era was a short term evolution of the product.

I think there's absolutely a way a tweaked version of that character would be equally over, yes. They could have done it with Punk if they hadn't shit the bed with last summer's story. No one's claiming they could create a perfect facsimile of the Attitude Era, beat for beat. Just that the grander themes and ideas that drove the AE are equally applicable to a more rounded-edged product.

GillbergReturns · 10-05-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Hands

I think there's absolutely a way a tweaked version of that character would be equally over, yes. They could have done it with Punk if they hadn't shit the bed with last summer's story. No one's claiming they could create a perfect facsimile of the Attitude Era, beat for beat. Just that the grander themes and ideas that drove the AE are equally applicable to a more rounded-edged product.

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GillbergReturns · 10-05-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Hands

I think there's absolutely a way a tweaked version of that character would be equally over, yes. They could have done it with Punk if they hadn't shit the bed with last summer's story. No one's claiming they could create a perfect facsimile of the Attitude Era, beat for beat. Just that the grander themes and ideas that drove the AE are equally applicable to a more rounded-edged product.

I'm going to have disagree because in my opinion Austin would be Punk if it wasn't for the over the top material. You can only connect to so much of the audience based off a perception of being misused. You can only connect to so much of the audience based off the desire to change. Attitude era was able to captivate a teenage market that wouldn't have been there without the over the top theatrics.

It's like thinking that Punk could get to the same mass as Austin without the roids.