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You're right about this, in his DVD he sounded mad the way he turned with McMahon helping him at Mania 17. I don't think he liked the Power Trip either because he didn't get over as a heel even with HHH.
Probably because HHH was hogging the spotlight, once HHH got injured that's when Austin started to add the humor and he started to get more comfortable in the role.
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Actually, I always thought it was more of a 50-50 split for liking the heel run or hating it.

And for the people saying it was bad timing, when would it be good timing then iyo?
IMO the time to turn the hotest face in your company, is when his status starts to really decline with the fans. Austin although he was in fact fading a little was still over. I just don't think the fans were ready. I knew I would be in the minority but it is my opinion.

Just to clarify. The WWE could have waited another year or two. it really felt forced. They could have waited till the fans were more willing to boo Austin. Just as the WCW did with Hogan, and then they turned Hogan face again in WWE when the fans were ready to see him back. I think the WWE missed their chance with Cena, they have had several chances to make a great heel turn with him and totally refresh his character. When a character grows stale or when the fans are turning on them, that is when IMO you should turn a character. That is why for decades the perfect time to turn a heel face is after they have lost a fued in a major storyline.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:27 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I enjoyed the run. It was unexpected and completely different from his previous character and he was having great matches. However I also agree it could have been executed much better.
If Rock had stayed around it would have been an instant success as SC would have had a natural, equal rival for fans to cheer and a reason to boo SC. As Rock was going they should have built up Jericho in the months beforehand to be believable going against SC, and take over top Face billing from April, not wait until after Judgement Day. Taker was the wrong choice for SC’s first feud for the following reasons:

1) It had been done so many times before. Face Taker vs Tweener SC/ Face SC vs Face Taker/ Heel Taker vs Face SC.
2) Taker’s booking was too protective. How can a Heel get heat if the Face always has the upper hand? Austin wasn’t allowed to look ruthless and relentless as he had at WM17 and the night after which is why he had to change the character and bring in the comedy elements.
3) Fans weren’t really behind Taker at this point. The big pops from his return the year before were dwindling; he was stale and would be until he turned Heel himself in November.
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I think it was really cool. considering the fact that had he not changed to a heel, a lot of people would be saying that he is "stale" and "needs to change" which I keep hearing a lot these days. Started out as a really vicious Austin then to that cowardly heel that was really entertaining and a breath of fresh air..how I'd hoped that would've lasted a bit longer..
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I enjoyed the run. It was unexpected and completely different from his previous character and he was having great matches. However I also agree it could have been executed much better.
If Rock had stayed around it would have been an instant success as SC would have had a natural, equal rival for fans to cheer and a reason to boo SC. As Rock was going they should have built up Jericho in the months beforehand to be believable going against SC, and take over top Face billing from April, not wait until after Judgement Day. Taker was the wrong choice for SC’s first feud for the following reasons:

1) It had been done so many times before. Face Taker vs Tweener SC/ Face SC vs Face Taker/ Heel Taker vs Face SC.
2) Taker’s booking was too protective. How can a Heel get heat if the Face always has the upper hand? Austin wasn’t allowed to look ruthless and relentless as he had at WM17 and the night after which is why he had to change the character and bring in the comedy elements.
3) Fans weren’t really behind Taker at this point. The big pops from his return the year before were dwindling; he was stale and would be until he turned Heel himself in November.
Yep, I always thought that. Jericho wasn't even pushed in the main event that long when he got the chance either.
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Well I was a big Rock mark at the time and once Stone Cold aligned with Vince to screw The Rock, I hated it. I didn't wanna see Austin mesh with Vince like that. But, when he was the sadistic heel who would do anything to keep the title, I started to enjoy it. Then they made him a bitch with the singing and shit but I thought it was hilarious. It was refreshing to see Austin being something other than the mad ass kicker. Too bad he didn't have a top face to go against. Would've made his heel run one of the best of all time. That's all he needed.
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Well I was a big Rock mark at the time and once Stone Cold aligned with Vince to screw The Rock, I hated it. I didn't wanna see Austin mesh with Vince like that. But, when he was the sadistic heel who would do anything to keep the title, I started to enjoy it. Then they made him a bitch with the singing and shit but I thought it was hilarious. It was refreshing to see Austin being something other than the mad ass kicker. Too bad he didn't have a top face to go against. Would've made his heel run one of the best of all time. That's all he needed.
Kurt Angle was a boss for the short time he was a top face back then. Kicked out of 3 Stunners. Don't remember anyone else that did that.
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Kurt Angle was a boss for the short time he was a top face back then. Kicked out of 3 Stunners. Don't remember anyone else that did that.
Yeah Kurt Angle did a pretty good job as a top face, but then they just turned him back heel out of nowhere. I know the story was he was playing possum and he was always WWF, but the heel turn was still not necessary.
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