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Old 10-01-2012, 02:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Again all of that was Austin's idea, obviously if he hated doing those things he wouldn't have done them in the first place. I think he wanted to have humor in his character along with his paranoid/dangerous side, I guess to make him Two-Face.
Really? When I read his book it sounded like he hated it.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Really? When I read his book it sounded like he hated it.
Couldn't have hated it too much, because he was still using some of that same humor stuff when he turned face again. Mainly the singing and "What?!?", if Austin truly hated it he would've went right back to his "Austin 3:16" character after he turned face, which he only did halfway.

The only thing he hated was where he turned heel at, he didn't mind the heel run afterwards.
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Instead of being a chicken shit heel they should of had him as a paranoid heel obsessed with the title and joining forces with his biggest enemy to achieve the title. The timing wasn't right, the fans hadn't seen him when he was injured and he was getting his popularity near to what it had been. The time to turn Austin heel was 1999 after the fued with McMahon had finished and when the rock was red hot as a babyface. Making him a comedy character whilst having some good moments in the end eroded his Stone Cold character he had built over the five years and he lost his aura that he never was the same again.
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Instead of being a chicken shit heel they should of had him as a paranoid heel obsessed with the title and joining forces with his biggest enemy to achieve the title. The timing wasn't right, the fans hadn't seen him when he was injured and he was getting his popularity near to what it had been. The time to turn Austin heel was 1999 after the fued with McMahon had finished and when the rock was red hot as a babyface. Making him a comedy character whilst having some good moments in the end eroded his Stone Cold character he had built over the five years and he lost his aura that he never was the same again.


He was a paranoid heel obsessed with the title. He actually added the humor in his character a few months after he turned heel, he didn't do it right away. Believe or not Austin's heel run got more interesting when he added the humor, before then I just saw him as another Triple H, some one who was trying too hard to get heel heat at times.

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It was greatly entertaining and as someone else said he was having great matches all the time, so you really can't ask for any more than that as a fan. But on the flip side it did essentially kill off the Stone Cold character and business went downhill.
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I hated it. I'll give him all the props in the world for it, he was probably the best heel I've ever seen next to Eddie, in terms of being a believable, realistic, downright evil villain, those guys are worlds above Triple H in heel acting, his is overrated, but anyways, it just wasn't what people wanted. That was highlighted spectacularly by the segment where they teased Austin going babyface again and joining Team WWF against the Alliance, giving out Stunners like he's fucking Superman surrounded by jobbers. The place went absolutely batshit IN-SA-NE. Seeing the reaction to that, I don't know why he didn't just stay babyface after that. Austin admits that it was a mistake and if he knew the damage it would've done to his career back then, he would've Stunned Vince at WrestleMania X-7 and remained babyface.

To this day, I don't think I've ever seen a top guy have a run that hurt his career more than that Austin heel run. He performed extremely well given the circumstances, his level of skill in playing out his heel psychotic tendencies were world class, but at the end of the day, they ruined a winning formula. You don't tamper with something that's working perfectly. You turn the top guy when he starts getting booed like Cena or Hogan, not when he's red hot.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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The only thing he hated was where he turned heel at, he didn't mind the heel run afterwards.
You're right about this, in his DVD he sounded mad the way he turned with McMahon helping him at Mania 17. I don't think he liked the Power Trip either because he didn't get over as a heel even with HHH.
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It was greatly entertaining and as someone else said he was having great matches all the time, so you really can't ask for any more than that as a fan. But on the flip side it did essentially kill off the Stone Cold character and business went downhill.
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1.As a casual fan,Stone Cold was great back then.He put great matches but it was at his segments he excelled.I knew he can be bad-ass heel(1997) but as a comedy heel,he was as good if not better

2.If we over-analyse it,business went downhill after it.Stone Cold was no more the 'guy' anymore.
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i enjoyed it, he tried being a softy to vince, but you could see he was more comfortable heel in the alliance, but the fact he knew he had to be a face again makes him great, no one wanted to hate him.
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:35 AM   #30 (permalink)
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He produced some of the best matches in wwe history during his heel run in 2001.
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