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Old 09-08-2012, 12:51 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Mike Tyson?
Bret Hart?
Vince McMahon?
The Rock?
HHH?

Stone Cold would be nothing without these guys.
Stone Cold increased WM buys from 235k to 750k from WM 13 to WM 14.

The difference between Nitro and Raw decreased from 1.0 to 0.6,0.2 and then eventually Raw beat WCW after Austin became champion.

This was before McMahon,Rock and HHH got involved.

Bret helped launched Austin's career but didn't contribute much for WWE's ratings as a whole.

Mike Tyson-Yes.No one can deny his involvement.He was a big reason in winning the War.


Hogan too had Andre,Mr.T before becoming the biggest thing ever
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:29 AM   #22 (permalink)
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LOL what about Rock, HHH, Vince, Bret hart, Shawn Michaels?
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LOL what about Rock, HHH, Vince, Bret hart, Shawn Michaels?
This isn't the most over, or the best, wrestlers, it's who has the most impact.

Apart from McMahon, The Rock, HHH, Bret & Shawn didn't change wrestling.

It's been banded about how Thesz & George changed things and not many of us can comment due to not being there, but Hogan and Austin each ushered in major changes in wrestling. Actually, they rather were at the forefront and carried the change.

The Rock, HBK, Bret Hart all have their places in wrestling, but they didn't change much. The Rock is interchangable as perhaps one of the top 3 superstars of all-time in terms of interaction with fans and television markets, however he was right guy, right place, right time. He took the baton from Stone Cold and kept running with it and became a MAJOR star, but he didn't change anything. They were each a part of what came to be, but none where put under pressure of having it all change beneath them due to them being so strong on top.

As said, I can't comment on George of Thesz, but I know without Hogan wrestling wouldn't have been what it was in the 80s; and without Steve Austin in the mid-late 90s, wrestling would not have been what it was. Therefore, if those weren't around, Bret/HBK wouldn't have been ingested as much of Hogan, and The Rock without Stone Cold.

In Hollywood, there are 100 fantastic actors but only a few who can sit on the top and change the entire outlook of the business, which one a handful of wrestlers have done.

Also, HHH is a nobody when it comes to a top 5 in wrestling, and would be a push for top 10. (And that's coming from a genuine fan of him.)
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Default Re: G.George,Thez,Hogan,Austin-4 men with most impact on pro-wrestling?

Agree with above
Plus op forgot Antonio Rocca so even he does not fully understand the contributing factors of wrestlers before the 70's
I don't even know what Thesz,Rocca did that made them so important LOL

Austin wins but he had so many advantages due to PPV,Television,Advertising
Hogan is a close second but fuck it's so damn close

Either one could be argued for.
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I would have added buddy rogers to the poll
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The Rock is interchangable as perhaps one of the top 3 superstars of all-time in terms of interaction with fans and television markets, however he was right guy, right place, right time. He took the baton from Stone Cold and kept running with it and became a MAJOR star, but he didn't change anything.
You're not entirely wrong, but you're not entirely right either. I agree that The Rock was not the quintessential driving force behind WWF's Attitude era, but to say he didn't bring about change is selling him a bit short. Rock didn't revolutionize the business like Austin did, but he was absolutely an innovator in his own right. He pretty much set the template for WWE's modern face character.

Faces are more cocky now then they ever were. They talk smack about their opponent. They mock them constantly. They aren't afraid to rag on a heel for being fat or for being ugly, or for having a bad hair cut. In fact a promo these days in the WWE usually just boils down to two guys trying to get the verbal one up on each other. It's become a contest of "burns". I feel like that first began with The Rock. He was really the first face to just verbally embarrass his opponents on that level. He was the first face who would try and get a comedic rise out of his insults.

Not to mention, just look at the People's Elbow. How many guys have their own variation of that maneuver? Cena's five knuckle shuffle, Kofi's boom drop, etc. The Rock was definitely a major influence on the way the WWE approached it's characters and it's story-telling. Some would say that influence was negative. What worked for The Rock shouldn't work for everyone. I'm not so sure what the WWE has to gain when it's supposedly clean cut, always do the right thing representative in John Cena mocks Sheamus for being pale.
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People are mentioning Bret Hart, really? Hart was an amazing wrestler and definitely a legend but he's not even close to guys like Hogan, Thesz, Sammartino, Austin, in terms of impact on the business.
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This isn't the most over, or the best, wrestlers, it's who has the most impact.

Apart from McMahon, The Rock, HHH, Bret & Shawn didn't change wrestling.

It's been banded about how Thesz & George changed things and not many of us can comment due to not being there, but Hogan and Austin each ushered in major changes in wrestling. Actually, they rather were at the forefront and carried the change.

The Rock, HBK, Bret Hart all have their places in wrestling, but they didn't change much. The Rock is interchangable as perhaps one of the top 3 superstars of all-time in terms of interaction with fans and television markets, however he was right guy, right place, right time. He took the baton from Stone Cold and kept running with it and became a MAJOR star, but he didn't change anything. They were each a part of what came to be, but none where put under pressure of having it all change beneath them due to them being so strong on top.

As said, I can't comment on George of Thesz, but I know without Hogan wrestling wouldn't have been what it was in the 80s; and without Steve Austin in the mid-late 90s, wrestling would not have been what it was. Therefore, if those weren't around, Bret/HBK wouldn't have been ingested as much of Hogan, and The Rock without Stone Cold.

In Hollywood, there are 100 fantastic actors but only a few who can sit on the top and change the entire outlook of the business, which one a handful of wrestlers have done.

Also, HHH is a nobody when it comes to a top 5 in wrestling, and would be a push for top 10. (And that's coming from a genuine fan of him.)
Right place, right time? But the rock lost more than any other top face and wasn't even put in the main storylines when he was outpopping the face of the attitude era on some nights in 1999
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No that was Mike Tyson who made the huge difference. Austin was hot at that time but Tyson was the attraction.

As for the thread, no.

George brought mainstream to the business in the early days, Thesz innovated moves and was a pioneer to many in ring aspects, Sammartino was the biggest domestic and consistent drawing card of all time, Hogan was able to put wrestling on the map worldwide and broke all records domestically, Hogan started the second boom with Hall and Nash and the nWo storyline. Austin took it and sparked it even more on the WWF side and was able to turn profits as a true game changer. Rock started his rise, took over after only 3 years as an active worker, transcended the industry like no one else, gave the product more exposure than ever before, and on top of that, broke all their records IN the wrestling business and had the biggest year for any wrestler in history, along with the greatest year for any company ever on his back. Continued his meteoric success after his full time career, came back and broke HIS records after a decade. Became bigger than the industry itself, a worldwide media entertainment brand and is a more recognized figure than the WWE logo. Impacted the entire concept of what an entertaining wrestler should be, on what you can verbally do as a character, on The People's Elbow versions you saw over the years, on the fact that the Top guy in the business today was an attempt to create another megastar performer and mainstream personality that will be able to come close to his caliber. He inspired a new generation of superstars who became wrestlers because of him and tried to put his magic touch in different aspects of their work, from their arsenal to the way they're trying to carry themselves to the mic time they get. When you say wrestling, you say The Rock, you say Dwayne Johnson, or at worse, 5/10 you say Hulk Hogan. The Rock is untouchable as The GOAT because he made it on the highest level in and out, which is why anything "Wrestling" without his name on it is a big and clear No.
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No that was Mike Tyson who made the huge difference. Austin was hot at that time but Tyson was the attraction.

As for the thread, no.

George brought mainstream to the business in the early days, Thesz innovated moves and was a pioneer to many in ring aspects, Sammartino was the biggest domestic and consistent drawing card of all time, Hogan was able to put wrestling on the map worldwide and broke all records domestically, Hogan started the second boom with Hall and Nash and the nWo storyline. Austin took it and sparked it even more on the WWF side and was able to turn profits as a true game changer. Rock started his rise, took over after only 3 years as an active worker, transcended the industry like no one else, gave the product more exposure than ever before, and on top of that, broke all their records IN the wrestling business and had the biggest year for any wrestler in history, along with the greatest year for any company ever on his back. Continued his meteoric success after his full time career, came back and broke HIS records after a decade. Became bigger than the industry itself, a worldwide media entertainment brand and is a more recognized figure than the WWE logo. Impacted the entire concept of what an entertaining wrestler should be, on what you can verbally do as a character, on The People's Elbow versions you saw over the years, on the fact that the Top guy in the business today was an attempt to create another megastar performer and mainstream personality that will be able to come close to his caliber. He inspired a new generation of superstars who became wrestlers because of him and tried to put his magic touch in different aspects of their work, from their arsenal to the way they're trying to carry themselves to the mic time they get. When you say wrestling, you say The Rock, you say Dwayne Johnson, or at worse, 5/10 you say Hulk Hogan. The Rock is untouchable as The GOAT because he made it on the highest level in and out, which is why anything "Wrestling" without his name on it is a big and clear No.

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