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Old 07-31-2012, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been a fan of pro wrestling since 1991 toward the end of The Golden Era and the first proper PPV I saw was the 1992 Royal Rumble. I have watched WWE through the New Generation era, the Attitude era, the Ruthless Aggression era all the way through to the modern PG era.

I have been a long time follower of forums on the internet and have recently come accross an argument that keeps coming up - And I Quote: "The attitue era ruined the industry!"

The way I see it The Golden era helped Vince build his empire; The Attitude era helped him save it.

However one argument they use is that the attitude era defeated the competition (WCW). Thinking back wasn't it WCW that started the monday night wars by putting Nitro up head to head with Raw in 1995. Wasn't it Eric Bischoff who started adopting low tactics by giving away the results of raw. Then in 1996 WCW started the NWO storyline and by 97 they had brought in the cruiserweights and were really kicking WWE's ass almost to the point that WWE very nearly went out of business. I'm not much of a business man but you can't blame Vince for changing the content. By that time people were so bored of old fasioned gimmicks and wanted somthing that appeard real which was when WWE moved from the Doinks and the Dentist to something where the wrestlers characters were more like the person playing them. To compare it to a real life situation it would be like owning a bar in a small town that is moderatly succesful; however some guy opens a new bar just accross the street and then starts using dirty tactics and starts promoting more entertainment nights and starts saying that your beer in contaminated - Your hardly going to do nothing about it and not change are you?

As for elimnating competition; I think it was WCW's fault that WCW went out of business. I mean WWEs product in 99 and 00 was far supperior to WCWs I mean I could do comparisons but lets face it when David Arquette is your World Champion (a belt held by Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Goldberg, Sting etc) then it is only WCWs fault that they went out of business but lets face it that was Vince Russo's idea.

However the one person I think is responsible for the current state of the business is Jamie Kellner as he is the one who cancelled wcw's television time. If he'd not done that then maybe Bischoff's group would have purchased WCW.

Would the business have been better had Bischoff's group taken control of WCW? We will never know.

But I think that to say "The attitude era ruined the industry" is extremly harsh; If anything it helped sace industry. Watch NXT and look at FCW and the amount of youngsters who are trying to get into the industry most of which watched the attitude era.
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Default Re: "The attitude era ruined the industry!"

I don't think it ruined it but I feel it had a negative impact on the industry after it was over.

I mean, it did provide a much needed surge and added interest to the product but also, it will be hard and nearly impossible to match what it had become. I credit Vince Russo for having the balls for creating those types of angles/storylines but I also credit him with negatively affecting the business. It blurred the lines of work/shoot and alienated a portion of the fanbase who either enjoyed the old school mentality or the kids who's parents would not allow their children to watch.

But, I will say this: ECW had as much of an impact on the industry as the AE had, and IMO, even more of a positive impact because of the stars that got recognition for the first time in America. Only bad to come from it was wising fans up too much for their own good, to the point that they want everything in the industry to be like it was, which won't happen because times have changed and people have changed. WWE has proven that they don't need those type of storylines and gimmicks to succeed in the business. But, some people choose to ignore that.
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The only thing negative to say about the Attitude Era was that no era after that could compare.
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I wouldn't say that The Attitude Era ruined the wrestling industry especially seeing as financially it was the greatest period in wrestling history but what it did do is spoil anyone who watched it in it's entirety to the point where nothing else is anywhere near as good to us. If you look at the wrestling industry today it is more or less the same as it was when it first became mainstream back in 1984/1985 during The Rock And Wrestling Era as far as product, storylines and characters go but because of The Attitude Era people piss all over this era as if it's so watered down it's unacceptable.

For people who complain about this era i would say go and watch 1993 and 1995 because they were much worse years than anything we've seen since WWE went fully family friendly after what happened with Chris Benoit but they are forgotten years because when we think back to the 90's we think of The Attitude Era and nothing else. What The Attitude Era did was take wrestling to new levels and due to three wrestling companies all being on fire in between late 1996 and mid 1998 the industry crossed over into the mainstream because of how popular it had become.

Now because there is in reality only one wrestling company in WWE with TNA being a very distant second no one cares about wrestling outside of die hard wrestling fans and outside of John Cena no one casual could name a wrestler that has come through in the last ten years. We were spoiled in the fact that there was two of the three biggest stars the industry has ever seen in Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock being around and at their peak at the very same time, we were spoiled in the fact that we were not treated as children and were given a much more mature themed product and we were spoiled in the fact that all three companies were working as hard as they could to be on top and until WWE are forced to work hard again due to competition wrestling will never hit those same heights again.
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The Attitude Era was ultimately damaging to the wrestling industry, in my opinion, because it created a demand for the kind of action that just wasn't really sustainable; the matches got more and more dangerous (inferno matches, first blood matches, Hell In A Cell matches), the wrestlers were expected to give more and more of themselves more frequently (during the Monday Night Wars, the direction of the TV shows meant that Nitro and Raw were giving relatively big PPV quality matches away for free each week; the success of the era meant that there were more house shows; there were at least 12 PPVs a year etc.) As well as the increased schedule, the storylines became more and more extreme because the audiences were desensitized to the violence; when I was a kid, a match could be won with a single steel chair shot - in the Attitude Era people were hit ten or eleven times, thrown through a table and still got up and kept fighting. I'd have hated to be a wrestler in the Attitude Era. It was car crash TV - entertaining as Hell but at what cost?
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When ever i look back at the Attitude i look back at this match:-



Now that was a good match but there was no need for them to do half the things that they did in this match, they went too far trying to top each other. now people will look back and say this was the best i Quit match ever.

But i think this is the best I Quit match ever.



Now not one chair shot was used in the match, not one table spot and its the best I Quit match ever,

The Attitude Era gave people to much, now if we don't see blood and chair shot, flaming tables in a match like that most people will hate on it. For people who only started watching in the 90s, nothing anyone does its going to top what they did in the Attitude Era.

Now when someone gets hit with a chair it doesn't mean anything anymore because its been done to death, there was a time when a chair shot would put people out for a month, then Mankind took 10 in a row to the head and killed the impact of a chair shot.

The Era made a lot of money for wwe at the time, but i think its cost them more in the long term.
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Default Re: "The attitude era ruined the industry!"

The only way the Attitude/MNW era ruined wrestling, is that it was too good and everything looks mediocre, bland and lifeless in comparison. It was the greatest, best and most successful period this industry will ever see and rightfully so with the passion and unbelievable roster of the greatest superstars of all time all at the same time from WWF, WCW and ECW. The standard was set and nothing will ever come close to it.
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The only way the Attitude/MNW era ruined wrestling, is that it was too good and everything looks mediocre, bland and lifeless in comparison. It was the greatest, best and most successful period this industry will ever see and rightfully so with the passion and unbelievable roster of the greatest superstars of all time all at the same time from WWF, WCW and ECW. The standard was set and nothing will ever come close to it.
No one is saying it isn't successful, but it ruined a lot of things, for one psychology in matches, which goes back to my point about the i quit matches, now a chair shot means nothing, when back in the days before the Attitude Era it was a match ender, and was seen as the one of the lowest things a heel could do a face.

The Modern Myth brought up the increased travel schedule that wrestlers have now, which has lead to wrestlers getting burnt out, Increased drug use and many more deaths then there should have been.

It was successful for its time, but saying the only way it hurt the business was it was to good is wrong.
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if they kept it at least like from 2002 till 2006 every thing would've been just fine
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The only way the Attitude/MNW era ruined wrestling, is that it was too good and everything looks mediocre, bland and lifeless in comparison. It was the greatest, best and most successful period this industry will ever see and rightfully so with the passion and unbelievable roster of the greatest superstars of all time all at the same time from WWF, WCW and ECW. The standard was set and nothing will ever come close to it.
Bingo.

It set the bar and people of today hate it because they'll never see them heights.

It's like Michael Jordon. He's the best. He's the standard and no one has touched him yet.

It had the roster, the matches, the storylines, the mainstream. Everything.

It ruined nothing.
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