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Old 08-10-2012, 07:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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So basically what people hated about the attitude era is that it "raised the bar too high!" But like I addressed before you can't blame Vince for raising the bar because at the time Vince was getting his ass kicked by WCW and it was WCW who started adopting dirty tactics. As for WCW going out of business; WCW put themselves out of business really and the only person I blame for "the current state of the business" is Jamie Kellner.

Another thing that appears to be coming up is that there were "too many chairshots!" Come on there where chairshots for years and years before the attitude era and lets face it people were bored of the old one chair shot to the head and you win thing. Lets face it people wanted something more real and extreme.
Actually, by the time he came into the picture, WCW was beyond repair.

If anybody deserves the blame, it's Time Warner as a whole. By cutting WCW's budget, having a revolving door of staff and making it clear back in 1996 that they had no intentions of broadcasting wrestling on their networks, it was over for WCW. If Ted Turner never sold his entire share, WCW would likely still be in business, maybe not not but at least for a few more years.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:36 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Default Re: "The attitude era ruined the industry!"

AE was like drugs. It's cool why you're on it but once the effect goes away you feel like shit. (Never tried any drugs though but that's what I know, correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Default Re: "The attitude era ruined the industry!"

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So basically what people hated about the attitude era is that it "raised the bar too high!" But like I addressed before you can't blame Vince for raising the bar because at the time Vince was getting his ass kicked by WCW and it was WCW who started adopting dirty tactics. As for WCW going out of business; WCW put themselves out of business really and the only person I blame for "the current state of the business" is Jamie Kellner.

Another thing that appears to be coming up is that there were "too many chairshots!" Come on there where chairshots for years and years before the attitude era and lets face it people were bored of the old one chair shot to the head and you win thing. Lets face it people wanted something more real and extreme.
You say people wanted something more "real and extreme." By real do you mean realistic or in the sense of keeping it real? Because the Attitude Era had not a shred of realism to it. Not a lick. It pretty much destroyed any sense of the real and the unreal, which is why WWE went back to "mat based storytelling" and tried to re-educate fans on what a wrestling match was without tons of chair shots and that was a necessary step.

I think my biggest complaint with Attitude Era is that a lot of people don't seem to realize that it was just a period of time where everything clicked. You had two companies competing to one up each other, you had a public that was receptive to the edgier stuff, you had a press that was open to being worked, you had hot crowds that would cheer just about everything, and you had Vince McMahon actually trying to put over anyone who got a pop. Conditions were ideal. A lot of people seem to think that Attitude Era had some heavenly over abundance of talent when really, outside of a few guys like Stone Cold and Rock, it was just a matter of guys actually getting a push. The midcard then was no better than it was now in terms of actual talent, but they actually gave guys things to do. Hell, Taka Michinoku had things to do. True, it involved chopee-chopee-ing a pee pee, but he had things to do.

Look, I love the Attitude Era, and it was great, but it was a result of the state of the business. It wasn't a magical golden age, it was that everything was working as it should. The problem now is that WWE doesn't have to try hard, and doesn't have to compete, and so it treats its workers like garbage and doesn't bring out their full potential.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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People just need to understand there's no going back to the attitude era.

Head shots and dangerous suplexes, piledrivers are gone and that's not because of a PG rating. Protecting wrestlers from serious neck and head injuries should be a given.

Reckless abandon towards morals are gone too and that's for the better as well. Attitude era was Jerry Springer trash tv and alot of that really doesn't need to come back for an entertaining product.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:25 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I don't care. I grew up watching Stone Cold, Rock, Foley, Triple H, Dudleyz, Hardyz, Jericho, Angle etc. giving me the finest memories I could possibly have as a wrestling fan. Don't want it any other way. Attitude Era was the best period in wrestling history and will always be. Now, all we have is those special memories.
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So basically what people hated about the attitude era is that it "raised the bar too high!" But like I addressed before you can't blame Vince for raising the bar because at the time Vince was getting his ass kicked by WCW and it was WCW who started adopting dirty tactics. As for WCW going out of business; WCW put themselves out of business really and the only person I blame for "the current state of the business" is Jamie Kellner.
Kellner basically took the air out of the Attitude Era and wrestling in general when he referred to wrestling as lowbrow entertainment and not deserving of being on Turner networks. As a result, he basically took the bitch's way out, since the WWE was kicking WCW's ass at that time he just said that wrestling sucked and that was that.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:51 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: "The attitude era ruined the industry!"

So, Op is actually counter arguing against that notion?

In any case, Argument can be made it was responsible for more entertainment oriented the industry became after that period.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:55 AM   #28 (permalink)
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The Attitude Era was bad as far as the constant title changes that happened, the level of matches that happened, and what a traditional face and heel are met suppose to be, also trying to establish new talent without trying to knock down the another establishing young talent that's trying to get over. Before the Attitude Era, it was always superstar, or potential superstart against the jobber. Those matches were used to develop a character, their finisher etc etc. Now you see a match like CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan, or Dolph Ziggler vs Kofi Kingston for example on free TV every single week. So 1) you are establishing one character, but at the same time, you are knocking down the other resulting in nobody getting over. Now fans act like to build a young superstar is to have them work a program with a John Cena, or Triple H, or Undertaker and win. Realistically a young superstar is an underdog going against those guys and to have the young guy when hurts the arua of a top draw getting pinned by an up and coming. So if you have wrestler A beating John Cena on TV, and wrestler B beating John Cena on PPV, and have Cena or any top draw lose, then it wouldn't be a surprised if the veterans were jobbing out to the rookies. When you see the top guys lose, nobody cares. Before the Attitude Era, if a wrestler like the Undertaker, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Randy Savage, it was a big deal. Now when you see Cena get his shoulders pinned to the match, it's forgotten in 2 weeks because we've seen CM Punk pin his shoulders twice on PPV and mulitple times on TV. We've seen Sheamus, Triple H, Randy Orton, Tensei, Johnny Ace and the Miz pin Cena's shoulder's. We've seen R-truth win a tables match against Cena and we've Cena Del Rio win a last man standing match against him. So when someone pins a top guy, it doesn't send shockwaves like it would before the Attitude Era.
I agree with this. There is no need to have big stars losing to so called young superstars. Back then stars like Rock, HHH, Jericho made themselves by working with each other.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:26 AM   #29 (permalink)
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The only thing negative to say about the Attitude Era was that no era after that could compare.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:22 PM   #30 (permalink)
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The Attitude Era didn't ruin anything, for 2 reasons:

1. It had to be done if it didn't wanna go out of business

2. It happened during the Jerry Springer/South Park Era

The fact is Vince McMahon didn't really care for the Attitude Era personally, he did it for business.
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