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#14,782 ·
Wrestlemania II has been fucking HORRENDOUS so far. Not quite as bad as the first, but I still have to sit through a BOXING match and a ton of other shit. Always liked the Hogan/Bundy cage match for some reason because it's a typical Hogan bread and butter match.

I can't wait to get through this Wrestlemania so I can get to THREE and see if Savage-Steamboat deserves to stay on my FIVE STAR list.
 
#14,783 ·
RR 04's undercard is still better than 06's IMO (though both are terrible). And at least, 04 does have an excellent LMS Match and one of the greatest RR Matches ever. 06 has a pretty good RR Match, a decent CW Open, and that's it.
 
#14,785 ·
Judgment Day 2006:
MNM/Londrick: ***3/4
Benoit/Finlay: ****1/4
Melina/Jillian: *3/4 (Credit where's due, they actually tried out there)
Helms/Crazy: **1/4
Angle/Henry: **3/4
Booker/Lashley: **3/4
Taker/Khali: DUD
Rey/JBL: ***1/2

JD was quite good. Gotta believe the hype for Benoit/Finlay - a vastly underrated technical masterpiece there. MNM/Londrick is also great, and Rey/JBL is very good. The rest of the midcard is pretty solid, with every match exceeding expectations (except Helms/Crazy, which dissapointed me). Oh and yes, Angle/Henry is MUCH better than their RR DUD.

1 - TIE: Unforgiven
1 - TIE: No Way Out
3 - One Night Stand
4 - WM 22
5 - No Mercy
6 - Armageddon
7 - Judgment Day
8 - Backlash
9 - New Year's Revolution
10 - SummerSlam
11 - Survivor Series
12 - Royal Rumble

Up next: Vengeance. Seems a good watch, I saw RVD/Edge and have that at ****. The rest seems good too (except Umaga/Eugene and the Kane match).
 
#14,786 ·
Mickie vs Ashley was the worst of the worst on that show. Rumble 2004, yikes take your pick at that undercard. I gave a DUD to nearly everything there. Including an Eddie Guerrero match. That's how bad that event is.
I disagree. JBL/Boogeyman was a two minute, almost squash match for Boogeyman. Yeah, he beat a former WWE Champion (for 10 months!) completely clean like it was your normal TV squash. At least with the divas match, Ashley tried to keep up with Mickie even if it was still boring as fuck. The best part of Boogeyman/JBL was Boogeyman's entrance and his pyro looks cool, lol.
 
#14,787 ·
The Trips/HBK Last Man Standing isn't good at all. It's a fucking weird match where they feel each other out for the first 90 percent of the match and then we go straight to the finish. Some of the poorest structure I've ever seen from what was supposed to be a BIG TIME EPIC MATCH OMG. The LMS is better than the ARMAGEDDON match, but I like the Armageddon match ALOT more as it's just mindless, stupid violence.

Don't get me wrong, the Armageddon match isn't good at all, I'd have it at like ** , but it terms of sheer entertainment value I could watch it about 50 times and never get sick of it. Just one of those ridiculous matches :p
 
#14,788 ·
Pre-Vengeance/GAB/CS/D2D Top 10 best PPV matches of 2006:

1. Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker, No Way Out
2. Londrick vs. The Hardys vs. MNM vs. William Regal & Dave Taylor, Armageddon
3. Mick Foley vs. Edge, WrestleMania 22
4. Edge vs. John Cena, Unforgiven
5. John Cena vs. Rob Van Dam, One Night Stand
6. Mick Foley, Edge & Lita vs. Terry Funk, Tommy Dreamer & Beaulah McGuillicutty, One Night Stand
7. Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley, SummerSlam
8. Chris Benoit vs. Finlay, Judgment Day
9. Rob Van Dam vs. Ric Flair vs. Matt Hardy vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Finlay vs. Bobby Lashley, WrestleMania 22
10. Chris Benoit vs. William Regal, No Mercy
And the 10 worst:

1. MVP vs. Jobber, No Mercy
2. JBL vs. The Boogeyman, Royal Rumble
3. The Boogeyman vs. Booker T & Sharmell, WrestleMania 22
4. Torrie Wilson vs. Candice Michelle, WrestleMania 22
5. Booker T vs. Batista, SummerSlam
6. Mickie James vs. Ashley Massaro, Royal Rumble
7. Kane vs. The Big Show, Backlash
8. The Undertaker vs. The Great Khali, Judgment Day
9. Shelton Benjamin vs. Viscera, New Year's Revolution
10. Booker T vs. Batista, Survivor Series
 
#14,789 ·
I disagree. JBL/Boogeyman was a two minute, almost squash match for Boogeyman. Yeah, he beat a former WWE Champion (for 10 months!) completely clean like it was your normal TV squash. At least with the divas match, Ashley tried to keep up with Mickie even if it was still boring as fuck. The best part of Boogeyman/JBL was Boogeyman's entrance and his pyro looks cool, lol.
2 minutes of fuckery doesn't come off as bad as 7 minutes of fuckery in my eyes. JBL bounced back and won the US Championship come WrestleMania. No harm, no foul there.

Not much of Triple H vs Michaels I care about except for the same 3 matches: Summerslam 2002, RAW 2003, & Taboo Tuesday 2004.

Oh and guys hell must have froze over. That or Evan Bourne's awesomeness is even greater than I thought. I just watched a wildly fun Carlito match on the 2/4/10 Superstars. Bourne carried it the entire way - nonetheless it was something to behold. Probably was Carlito's best match in 3 years up till that point.
 
#14,791 ·
And for those looking for good Superstars matches, I'd seriously recommend the batshit insane 6-Man Tag Team Match with The Usos & Trent Baretta vs. Tyson Kidd, Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater. It's just plain amazing.
 
#14,792 · (Edited)
I really liked Carlito when he debuted in 2004 against John Cena. And I liked him up until to 2006, he was at his absolute peak in the New Year's Revolution 2006 Chamber match, but after 2006, I started to not care for him as much, probably because they started booking him worse, but they also ruined his character too, and as a big character mark, I don't like it when they fuck up a character. He should of always stayed heel. By 2008/2009 I didn't care for him at all, didn't like his tag team with Primo, and his matches with Hornswoggle were just fpalm

Miss this Carlito though:





From a match quality standpoint though, I don't remember any great Carlito matches, but I don't remember any real bad ones. I thought he was a alright in-ring talent, but I was much more invested in his character (at least when it was good from 04 to 06) than his matches. For me it's always a good character > workrate.
 
#14,793 ·
And for those looking for good Superstars matches, I'd seriously recommend the batshit insane 6-Man Tag Team Match with The Usos & Trent Baretta vs. Tyson Kidd, Justin Gabriel & Heath Slater. It's just plain amazing.
Yep. That one is a whole bunch of fun.

I've never liked Carlito. Poor worker and a blah character. The tags with Primo were probably the highlight of his career now that I look at it. Him and good matches were very few and far between unless he was carried much like how he was in the bout I just saw vs Bourne.

Superstars 2/11/10 time. Christian vs Zack Ryder on this should be quality. Jack Swagger vs Santino Marella to start? Oh no. DOLPH Ziggler vs....JTG to main event? Dolph is the man. JTG? Oh boy. Don't know what Dolph can get out of him. I'll see soon.
 
#14,794 ·
The RAW 2003 match is the golden standard of their series for sure. As a matter of fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that in my eyes it's probably the greatest singles match in RAW history, better than HBK/Cena and all that bullshit. Need to rewatch Owen/Davey Boy BADLY. Still think Benoit/Jericho vs Austin/Hunter is the best tag in company history and also the greatest MATCH in the history of Monday Night Raw.

TRIPLE H. :hhh
 
#14,795 ·
The RAW 2003 match is the golden standard of their series for sure. As a matter of fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that in my eyes it's probably the greatest singles match in RAW history, better than HBK/Cena and all that bullshit. Need to rewatch Owen/Davey Boy BADLY. Still think Benoit/Jericho vs Austin/Hunter is the best tag in company history and also the greatest MATCH in the history of Monday Night Raw.

TRIPLE H. :hhh
I know opinion is opinion, and I love the Powertrip/Austin & HHH match too, but I would say Angle/Benoit vs Edge/Rey from No Mercy 2002 beats that.
 
#14,797 ·
Smackdown 17/2/2006

Rey Mysterio vs Sylvan - ★★¼
Boogeyman vs Orlando Jordan - 0
Gregory Helms vs Scotty 2 Hotty - ★★
Finlay/JBL vs Chris Benoit/Bobby Lashley - ★★¼
Matt Hardy vs Simon Dean - ★¾
Undertaker/Kurt Angle vs MNM/Mark Henry - ★★¾

A rather fun show with some bad matches and a couple of decent parts. ON TO NO WAY OUT!
 
#14,798 ·
I've never liked Carlito. Poor worker and a blah character. The tags with Primo were probably the highlight of his career now that I look at it. Him and good matches were very few and far between unless he was carried much like how he was in the bout I just saw vs Bourne.
I believe you mentioned earlier in this thread that you missed quite a bit of RAW/Smackdown from 05 to 06? Well Carlito was pretty good back then imo, you missed his best stuff, and if you're just judging him from his work from later years then I could understand why you would think he was bad.

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btw, looking at C2D mostly but anyone can answer: does anyone know of any good places to download multiple episodes if not full sets of WWE TV years? like every RAW or Smackdown from 2005 or 2006? b/c I missed far and away too much from RAW during that era. Only certain matches and shows from the Summer of 2005. Wasn't able to jump back onto watching RAW full time till about June of 2006.
 
#14,800 ·
Alot of people share that sentiment, and I heard a ton of hype about the match but when I eventually watched it, all I could say was "this is it?". I mean, don't get me wrong... The match is AWESOME... But best WWE tag ever ? I think it's a pretty damn big stretch, and it's just my opinion. NOBODY probably agrees with me on that one but whatever :p

It MIGHT be in my top 7-10 tags in company history, but I'm not entirely sure. Off the top of my head I can think of four tags I would consider to be better by a nice margin (97 RAW, 01 RAW, Harts/Steiners WF, Rockers/Brainbusters 89) and I'm sure there's a few more that I'd put above it to be honest.
 
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