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Danielson I could see, but the other two I'm really not high enough on. I really don't ever see them touching that top-of-the-line (for me, obv. "IMO" and all that). I wouldn't have either in my top 100 right now and IDK where they'd place if I were doing a top 200. I wouldn't rank Danielson there either, but he's a guy that I would FOR SURE rank in a top 100 and he's just, IDK, 'different'. Almost nobody in the world ATM could have done what he did that TLC match, and was like a month ago. He seriously may not have hit his peak yet. Have Punk and Cena hit their peak yet? Who knows. But I'm a lot less higher on those two than I am on Danielson and I'm lot less higher on those two than a lot of other people are. Both guys have too much stuff I find "blehh" or just flat out don't like. They can have great matches after great matches and depending on career length could have more great matches than someone like Eddie Guerrero actually did, but there isn't anything in a bell-to-bell match I think Cena or Punk really do better than Eddie did. I hope that makes SOME sense. I've had two hours sleep in the past 36 hours.
 
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And who knows if one of those guys might surprise us and become that "fine wine" that gets better with age? Look at what the likes of Undertaker, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, and I've heard some arguments for Shawn Michaels that they all became better or at least smarter workers over time.
 
#14,683 ·
Project how you'd rank these SEVEN guys in TEN years :

John Cena
CM Punk
Randy Orton
Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
Dolph Ziggler
Alberto Del Rio

Don't worry ; I'll remember it and make sure to bring it up 10 years from now when we're all lonely, depressed, and have little to no life outside of these forums :)
 
#14,684 ·
Danielson I could see, but the other two I'm really not high enough on. I really don't ever see them touching that top-of-the-line (for me, obv. "IMO" and all that). I wouldn't have either in my top 100 right now and IDK where they'd place if I were doing a top 200. I wouldn't rank Danielson there either, but he's a guy that I would FOR SURE rank in a top 100 and he's just, IDK, 'different'. Almost nobody in the world ATM could have done what he did that TLC match, and was like a month ago. He seriously may not have hit his peak yet. Have Punk and Cena hit their peak yet? Who knows. But I'm a lot less higher on those two than I am on Danielson and I'm lot less higher on those two than a lot of other people are. Both guys have too much stuff I find "blehh" or just flat out don't like. They can have great matches after great matches and depending on career length could have more great matches than someone like Eddie Guerrero actually did, but there isn't anything in a bell-to-bell match I think Cena or Punk really do better than Eddie did. I hope that makes SOME sense. I've had two hours sleep in the past 36 hours.
I got all of that. :cool2

And who knows if one of those guys might surprise us and become that "fine wine" that gets better with age? Look at what the likes of Undertaker, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, and I've heard some arguments for Shawn Michaels that they all became better or at least smarter workers over time.
Undertaker & Big Show for the top nominations there. I mean WOW at how many more matches I adore from each of them over the last few years than I did during the "high point" of wrestling. I think Punker & Danielson had that quality attached to them. Cena's banged up, but that shouldn't mean he couldn't work through it and create something better.
 
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Let's not forget MIZARK "RATINGS" MOTHERFUCKIN' HENRY.

I mean, my god. Was it just me or did he become one of the best character workers in the business seemingly overnight ? WHAT THE HELL DID HE DO TO IMPROVE SO MUCH AND WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE DOING IT. Blows my fucking mind actually.
 
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Just watched one of the worst matches I've ever seen in my life.

David Sammartino vs Brutus Beefcake at the very first Wrestlemania. I mean UGH, this was just a cheap way to get Bruno on the card to please the traditionalists and to please the MSG crowd. We really couldn't just have Bruno beat up ANYBODY instead of this complete BULLSHIT ? .... It was honestly the most pointless match psychology wise I've ever seen, very sloppily put together, and boring as shit. A few matches into my WRESTLEMANIA PROJECT and I've already got a contender for worst match :(

Valentine-JYD sucked balls too. YA KNOW, for being the very first show in a series of the biggest shows EVER, it kind of BLOWS HARD :p
 
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Their Uncensored match :lol

Let's not forget about Savage's performance one year later against THE ALLIANCE TO END HULKAMANIA in the DOOMSDAY CAGE :lol :lol :lol

Swear to god he wrestled Hogan on Nitro (you can see it on the NWO DVD) in probably the worst singles match of his career though.
 
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I don't see how it's going to be possible for any Wrestlemania to be worse than the first one. From an in-ring standpoint, this is probably one of the worst shows I've ever seen so far :p

Entertainment wise it's okay due to SHEIK and his awesome pre and post match promos :lol .. "GENE MEAN!" .. :lol :lol :lol

HEENAN IS GOD.
 
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I don't see how it's going to be possible for any Wrestlemania to be worse than the first one. From an in-ring standpoint, this is probably one of the worst shows I've ever seen so far :p

Entertainment wise it's okay due to SHEIK and his awesome pre and post match promos :lol .. "GENE MEAN!" .. :lol :lol :lol

HEENAN IS GOD.
don't go chanting USA USA. *crowd chants USA* oh GO TO HELL! - Iron Sheik

And I REALLY need to give Angle vs Benoit a rewatch. Perhaps tonight. Need to finish Backlash 2009 while I'm at it and got Survivor Series 2012 on tap to watch too.
 
#14,695 ·
Project how you'd rank these SEVEN guys in TEN years :

John Cena
CM Punk
Randy Orton
Sheamus
Daniel Bryan
Dolph Ziggler
Alberto Del Rio

Don't worry ; I'll remember it and make sure to bring it up 10 years from now when we're all lonely, depressed, and have little to no life outside of these forums :)
Probably something like this.

John Cena - Already has quite a long resume and history
CM Punk
Randy Orton
Daniel Bryan
Dolph Ziggler
Sheamus
Alberto Del Rio
 
#14,696 ·
OH FUCKING HELL. A WENDI RICHTER MATCH. THIS SHOW SUCKS :( .

Probably going to be -100 if we go by CAL SCALE standards. I want to go easy on this show so bad but there has already been four matches under two stars by this point. We're currently at a MINUS FOUR POINTS range and there's still a womens' match left. :vince
 
#14,698 ·
WRESTLEMANIA ONE ; WHERE THERE ARE MORE DUDS THAN MATCHES OVER TWO STARS.

I'd already take Punk over Orton in terms of EXCLUSIVELY WWE work. Punk (in my eyes anyways) has been SO GOOD since 2009 that it's been better than Orton's entire WWE career as a whole. It's almost like how I see Lesnar (GOD) despite him only being around for a very short time. HELL, as a matter of fact I think it's only going to be a small fraction of time before he passes CENA if Johnny keeps up his lazy bullshit.

I just realized that I have two CENA matches in my top 10 WWF/WWE matches ever. The guy is one of the greatest big match workers in history.
 
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Vengeance 2007: Night of Champions​

1) World Tag Team Championship
Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch(c) vs Jeff Hardy & Matt Hardy ~ **1/4


2) WWE Cruiserweight Championship
Chavo Guerrero(c) vs Jimmy Wang Yang ~ **


3) ECW Championship
CM Punk vs Johnny Nitro ~ *1/2


4) WWE Intercontinental Championship
Santino Marella(c) vs Umaga ~ DUD


5) WWE United States
Montel Vontavious Porter(c) vs Ric Flair ~ *1/2


6) WWE Tag Team Championship
Duece & Domino(c) vs Sgt. Slaughter & Jimmy Snuka ~ DUD


7) World Heavyweight Championship - Last Chance Match
Edge(c) vs Batista ~ ***


8) WWE Women's Championship
Melina Perez(c) vs Candice Michelle ~ DUD


9) WWE Championship - Five Way Match
John Cena(c) vs Randy Orton vs Booker T vs Bobby Lashley vs Mick Foley ~ **​


This show...it's something else. Worse of 2007? Probably not with Unforgiven following. If you can believe that. Sgt. Slaughter is the MAN. b/c he was the best part of his match over shitty murdering Jimmy Snuka and the laughable tag champs. Edge vs Batista had some good psychology thrown in. Rest is there. Speaks for itself.
 
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When people talk of the HHH/Shawn feud they usually call the best match between them the one at Summerslam 2002 but never talk about the three stages of hell match at Armageddon 2002.

What do you guys think of it? A complete dud, didn't live up to the hype?

Saw it again this morning for the hell of it, was pretty good. Not perfect but still pretty good.
 
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