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#14,661 ·
I think it's the lowest I've ever seen that match rated by anyone. BY FAR :p
 
#14,665 ·
Yeah, that Summerslam PPV was a big disappointment. I was only interested in the Cena/Edge match along with the Flair/Foley match due to the awesome build-up behind it. The rest of the card felt underwhelming.

Speaking of the Flair/Foley feud, I have to re-watch their promos with each other again. Their promos leading to the Summerslam PPV were wonderful. I recall them having a great, intense promo with one another on WWECW but I can't remember when.
"We shall bleed to death in Boston". And they were legit close to. They really had a lot of intensity in all of their promos, and in the feud in general. Really great stuff.

But Edge/Cena is easily feud of the year for 2006 IMO. I've watched A LOT of their feud and matches. Edge, alongside Punk, is easily Cena's greatest rival ever. This is how I would rank every match I can remember between both:

New Year's Revolution - N/A (points for shock value and history purpose)
Royal Rumble - **1/2
Mick Foley as guest ref - **3/4
Triple Threat w/HHH - ****
SNME - ***
SummerSlam - ***1/2
TLC - ****1/2
Triple Threat w/Big Show - ***
Last Man Standing - ****1/4

Pretty sure there were more. Anyways, how would you rank the Edge/Cena matches?
 
#14,666 ·
TBH, I don't think I've seen anybody put that under **** . :p

Survivor Series 2012

Brodus Clay/International Airstrike/ReyCARA vs Tensai/Primo&Epico/Primetime Players : ** ¾(.5)

Kaitlyn vs Eve : * ½(-0.5)

R-Truth vs Antonio Cesaro : ** ¼ (0)

LONG SHITTY AJ-VICKIE SEGMENT (-0.5)

The Big Show vs Sheamus : *** (1)

Team Ziggler (Dolph ZIggler/David Otunga/Wade Barrett/Damien Sandow/Alberto Del Rio) vs Team Foley (Kane/Daniel Bryan/Kofi Kingston/The Miz/Randy Orton) : *** (1)

CM Punk vs John Cena vs Ryback : *** (1)

Thoughts

So YEAH....... This show is like the definition of mediocre. The main event matches are all good, but everything feels so rushed and pointless that I have no reason to care anymore about these matches than I should. There's absolutely nothing GREAT here, and definitely nothing that even comes close to CLASSIC , and I think that hurts this show. There's nothing here to really boost this show epically, but there were a few things, namely the Divas match and the long/pointless/shitty/all of the above AJ/Vickie segment that took up a chunk of time and hurt the show for me in the long run.

You have a match like Cesaro-Truth, which is essentially the same match Cesaro's having since he debuted, just more to showcase on a big PPV stage. Not a bad match TBH, just a average little Cesaro showcase that doesn't really contribute anything to the card and doesn't really take anything away from it either.

The two Survivor Series tags were both fun at times, but I felt they fell WAY below the standards of what an elimination tag should be like at Survivor Series. The opener was a nice little surprise due to KIDD , but I felt the talent on the heels team was lackluster and that the match could have been a far better showcase of the up and comers on each end doing their thing. Kidd and Gabriel come out of this looking strong though, so that's a win right there. Good stuff but not up to the Elimination Tag standards that had been set years ago. Team ZIGGLER vs Team FOLEY was a terribly pointless match with some of the worst opening sequence's and paces I've ever seen in my life. Thankfully it picked up and what we got was a very serious match towards the end with Orton going crazy against two heels who wanna take him out. Some of the eliminations felt rushed, but the last 10 minutes of this is AWESOME with Orton playing a great "fuck the world" babyface only to fall apart at the hands of Ziggler.

The two World Championship matches were good. I already talked about Show/Sheamus and the reasons why it wasn't up to par with the original (more restholds and less HITTING, finish wasn't as good) , but the match was still great and I consider it to be the Show/Henry from Survivor Series to the Show/Henry from Vengeance of the series. It's the MOTN and I adore it, it just isn't there compared to the original. Punk/Cena/Ryback on the other hand is a tale of two matches. The beginning of this absolutely SUCKS, and it lasts for a while due to RYBACK'S incompetence. However, this picks up once Ryback is out of the match and it turns into a typical Punk/Cena AWESOME match, complete with an awesome pace, some great false finishes, and the like. Whenever Ryback comes back into the match all you can say is "Oh shit, Ryback's here again...FUCK" as the pace starts to slow down again. It's just such an up and down pace that I can't really describe, but I know one thing ; The ending and the ending spot is fucking BO$$. Four stars for the second half of the match and two stars for the first half means this is a middle of the pack encounter ; Punk's second worst PPV match since CP 11.

So there you have it, Survivor Series 2012. Was it great ? NO. Was it good ? NO. Was it average ? NO. It's weird because the last half of this show isn't bad at all, and the three main events are all good, it's just they aren't good ENOUGH to sustain what should be a major PPV. No show stealing performances (and none that come close) and a few shitfests lead to this being a very mediocre PPV that I wouldn't really recommend to anybody. Watch the last three matches if you're REALLY bored, but there's a ton of better wrestling out there anyways. *** matches work as a supplement to a true show stealing match, but in no way shape or form should it be the best rated match on a major PPV.

Overall Score : 2.5
 
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To go back to an earlier discussion, how would y'all rank all the World Heavyweight Champions since 2002 based on workrate?

Here's the full list:

Triple H
Shawn Michaels
Goldberg
Chris Benoit
Randy Orton
Batista
Kurt Angle
Rey Mysterio
Booker T
Undertaker
Edge
The Great Khali
CM Punk
Chris Jericho
John Cena
Jeff Hardy
Jack Swagger
Kane
Dolph Ziggler (you can either count those 5 minutes or not... KOK didn't with Rey Mysterio & the WWE Title)
Christian
Mark Henry
Big Show
Daniel Bryan
Sheamus
Alberto Del Rio

Not gonna rank them now but all I can tell from the get go is that Benoit tops the list and Great Khali is saving anyone else in sight from being at the very bottom.
 
#14,668 ·
Chris Jericho
CM Punk
Edge
The Undertaker
Kurt Angle
Chris Benoit
Rey Mysterio
Shawn Michaels
Daniel Bryan
Christian
Triple H
John Cena
Sheamus (I wanted to put him higher, his 2012 was extremly good in terms of match quality)
Randy Orton
Booker T
The Big Show
Mark Henry
Batista
Jeff Hardy
Kane
Goldberg
Alberto Del Rio
Jack Swagger
The Great Khali
 
#14,669 · (Edited)
Crispen wah
The Undertaker
CM Punk
Chris Jericho
Christian
Daniel Bryan
Kurt Angle
Shawn Michaels
Triple H
Edge
Randy Orton
Rey
John Cena
Sheamus
The Big Show
Booker T
Batista
Mark Henry
Alberto Del Rio
Jack Swagger
Jeff Hardy
Kane
Goldberg




The Great Khali

Zigglers "reign" doesn't count to me mainly because the belt was never in his possession...

Top and bottom are easy to figure out, 2 thru whatever not so easy considering how many awesome workers held the WHC
 
#14,674 · (Edited)
Top Five :

Chris Benoit
The Undertaker
Rey Mysterio
Triple H
CM Punk

Bottom Five :

5. Alberto Del Rio
4. Jeff Hardy
3. Goldberg
2. Jack Swagger
1. The Great Khali

Nobody tarnished the World Heavyweight Championship more than Jack Swagger.
 
#14,675 ·
Nah. Swagger has talent. Khali doesn't. Blame the WWE for the most random and poorly booked World Championship reign. Not Jack.

WWE Smackdown 1/18/13​

1) Antonio Cesaro vs Kofi Kingston ~ 1/4*


2) Great Khali vs Tensai ~ DUD


3) Team Hell No (Kane & Daniel Bryan) & Randy Orton vs Rhodes Scholars (Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow) & Wade Barrett ~ 1/2*


4) Mike Mizanin vs Primo Colon ~ DUD


5) Kaitlyn vs Aksana ~ DUD


6) Big Show & Dolph Ziggler vs Sheamus & Alberto Del Rio ~ *3/4​


Bleh. Big Show & Sheamus clubberin each other made me mark the match up. It's nothing special at the heart of it. Another lousy show where JBL's commentary was the only real entertainment + another SHIELD promo. Oh, but everyone must youtube the MICK FOLEY HALL OF FAME VIDEO TRIBUTE. :mark: <3
 
#14,676 ·
That's what I meant, not Swagger the individual but rather Swagger's completely random reign as World Champion is what tarnished it the most. I can kind of live with Khali being Champion as it at least makes SENSE on some level.

If Ryback wins the WWE championship at some point within the next year, where do you figure he'd rank ? Is he better than Miz at this point in his career ? Does he suck as BAD as Miz or maybe even worse at this point ? It's too early to tell, but I'd probably have him above Miz at this point simply because his resume with Punk has been damn good, not to mention the role he played in one of the best tags in company history. Granted, most of that has nothing to do with RYBACK , but you'd have to figure that he definitely has the potential to be better than JIZ :lol

Starting a Wrestlemania count-up for the Road to Wrestlemania. Going to be an awesome project where at the end of the list I rank the top 75 matches in Wrestlemania history alongside the top 28 moments, top 28 workers, and so on and so forth. WRESTLEMANIA I COMES FIRST MOTHER FUCKERS. I'm not expecting anything more than a fun blast to the past. HEENAN.
 
#14,677 ·
1. Rey
2. Benoit
3. Danielson
4. Michaels
5. Taker
6. Christian
7. Cena
8. CM Punk

I would have Eddie there, but....he didn't win the WHC. :p 8's an odd number but what the shit. I had to do relative amounts of thinking following that and I'm not up for it. Henry and Show would probably fill out the top 10, though. But maybes. I can't see anyone on the list (unless I didn't look hard enough) that I'd definitely have above both of those dudes.

Also if we're counting Rey for WWE Title on that top 5 I did yesterday, he'd be #1. Hell if you count any world champions in WWE at any point in history he'd only be behind Flair. I think I did that list sometime somewhere.

Ranking the top ___SOMETHING____ of wrestlers who have held a WWE championship of any kind could be fun at some point.
 
#14,679 ·
OH BOY. How did I fuck that one up ? :p

Here's a interesting question ; how much further can the likes of Cena, Punk, and Bryan move up in the ranks workrate wise in their respective careers ? Basically, how much does X Wrestler need to do in order for you to put them in the same class as Benoit/Eddie/Rey ? Would a few more CLASSICS do the job ? Would it be just non-stop consistency ? Both ?
 
#14,680 ·
Both would be key. Honestly Punk and Danielson are already on route to that level. If not there. Cena, whom I do love, needs to tune his game up on the weekly shows again. Lately he's been lazy as hell when it comes to keeping the calling of spots under wraps. Notice him calling a lot weekly. It's only a minor gripe and when the PPVs come, he always delivers. So at least he comes through when we need it most.
 
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