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Anyone up for a best of from [Insert PPV name] that excludes the big four?

Randomly taking Vengeance;
- The Rock vs Kurt Angle vs Undertaker
- Batista vs Triple H
- Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar vs Big Show
- Chris Benoit vs Triple H
- The Rock vs Chris Jericho
- Randy Orton vs Edge
- Undertaker vs John Cena
- Eddie Guerrero vs Chris Benoit
- John Cena vs Christian vs Chris Jericho
- Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle
I'm interested. I still gotta finish the Taker/Batista series but I'll grab No Mercy.
 
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I'd do a PPV write-up if I wasn't still stuck on HBK/Taker. Fuck, I've been mailing it in lately. :eek:
All will be forgiven if your joint venture with i$e results in some really great musical discoveries coming my way :)

I'd watch Raw, but it would screw up my sleeping pattern. May watch the opening segment and see if it sets up anything potentially interesting.
 
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I started watching Unforgiven 2004 yesterday. I came to the conclusion that Tyson Tomko/Steven Richards may be the worst PPV match ever. It got to much time with a terrible reason fire it even occurring. Not to mention the match was just pretty much Tomko pulling on his face for 6:25.
 
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I forgot about that abomination. The crowd shat all over it, too. Wow, that was bad. It was impromptu, wasn't it?

edit @ WOOLCOCK - yeah, a major reason i$e and I became buds was our common musical interests. He introduced me to some gems and vice versa. TWO MAN MUSIC POWERTRIP.
 
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The Shield vs. Team Feed Me Hell No - ****1/2

Chaos. Recklessness. Destruction. All out carnage. I loved it. Fantastic showing for The Shield. Rollins and Ambrose were the stars here and we got a few flashes of brilliance from Reigns too. The guy is a powerhouse. I love that they won and I love that we don't get to see them in matches all the time because I sure as hell can't wait to see them in action again. The spots were so smart. That double suplex off the table was awesome. The Rollins spot at the end was some Jeff Hardy level stuff. I imagine when he turns face, Rollins will fill that gap nicely. Loved everything about this. Ryback was great too along with Bryan. Hell they all were. This thing definitely lived up to the hype. Brilliant match.
 
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I'm interested. I still gotta finish the Taker/Batista series but I'll grab No Mercy.
It's not exactly some kind of write-up, though. Just a discussion of the best matches from whatever PPV you choose.

I started watching Unforgiven 2004 yesterday. I came to the conclusion that Tyson Tomko/Steven Richards may be the worst PPV match ever. It got to much time with a terrible reason fire it even occurring. Not to mention the match was just pretty much Tomko pulling on his face for 6:25.
Can't disagree with that at all. It's just complete garbage. Unforgiven is probably the only non-Smackdown PPV that was shit. Other than Orton/Hunter, everything else was subpar or terrible. (Benoit goes from main eventing SummerSlam as champion to opening the next PPV in a tag match fpalm)
 
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I also watched that today on WWE Classics. Pretty entertaining episode the night after Rock Bottom.

Heard people talking about dead crowd reactions and Undertaker vs. Ken Shamrock from Backlash '99 (also on WWE Classics right now) had for the most part a very dead crowd and when they did make noise it was 'Boring' chants and 'End This Match' lol. You can tell Taker tried to put a good wrestling match together with Shamrock telling the story of Shamrock's submission attacks as a challenge for Taker throughout the match. Ken Shamrock although he brought a lot of intensity and aggression with his persona and in his matched to came off to me kind of looking lost in the ring as far as directing the pacing of his matches/timing of moves. I noticed it even in the Canadian Stampede tag which is reasonable because he was relatively new at that time and this match was a couple years later. He needed a lot of direction. I liked a few of the submission counters and wrestling transitions they put together but the crowd just couldn't give a fuck about what they were doing. It was kind of difficult to watch, tbh.
Amen. It wasn't so much Shamrock being lost for me or the ultra dead crowd that totally ruined the match for me. It was how they tried to make it an MMA bout and how NOBODY in cared to see that. Poor, poor booking decision. A mixed martial arts style match in the thick of the Attitude Era? I know something such as the Lion's Den with Shamrock vs Owen could be an exception, but this match ended up being a total bust. One of the most disappointing Undertaker matches for me. It still crushes me knowing it ended up being nothing worth seeing. Nothing worth seeing again for that matter.
 
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edit @ WOOLCOCK - yeah, a major reason i$e and I became buds was our common musical interests. He introduced me to some gems and vice versa. TWO MAN MUSIC POWERTRIP.
I gather you consider yourself the HHH of that Powertrip 8*D even though he's the inferior member..


TLC 6 man was a really unique and layed out match. Didn't think the storytelling was the best we saw over the course of year compared to Lesnar/Cena, Punk/Henry or Sheamus/Show, but the overall booking and presentation of the Shield may have been the best handled all year. Loved how Ambrose brought the authentic violence to a WWE style hardcore match. The Chokeslam through the chair was a really nasty spot and I loved little things like him launching a chair right at Ryback's back near the end. They built Bryan up superbly as the resilient babyface outnumbered but fighting to the very end and contrary to what a few were saying live, they booked Ryback exceptionally well in the match. He was the difference maker whenever he was in the ring and the theme of the match revolved around The Shield managing to isolate his periods of dominance and contain his threat.
 
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Yeah, it felt more like an old school brawl and not your typical contrived spotfest that we've come to love/hate when it comes to TLC matches. Everything about it exceeded my expectations, and I honestly haven't been that glued to a match in a long time. It's hard to explain, but everything about it - the hot crowd, the mystique of debuting trio nobody really knows much about (kayfabe-wise), the relentless chaos, spots we haven't really seen before (BLACKOUT ONTO A FUCKING CHAIR), etc. - made it really enjoyable. Like Starbuck said, I like that they don't wrestle all the time. Really makes me want to see them in action again. For once the WWE is actually handling a young group of talent really well. Hopefully they don't blow it.

edit that's a given, WOOLCOCK.
 
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Can't disagree with that at all. It's just complete garbage. Unforgiven is probably the only non-Smackdown PPV that was shit. Other than Orton/Hunter, everything else was subpar or terrible. (Benoit goes from main eventing SummerSlam as champion to opening the next PPV in a tag match fpalm)
I'd say Benoit's tag destroys the crap Orton/HHH match. I'm pretty big on the tag, tbhayley.

Already shared my thoughts on the TLC 6 man enough. It's on par with what has been dropped already. Pure brilliant chaos. Ryback tackling Reigns into the stage set up might be my favorite spot only b/c it captured the mayhem of the match. Always be a sucker for the Blackout on the chair. It's FAR too brutal/amazing to not mark for.

The 6 man saved that PPV too. It's such a one match show when you look at it. Cesaro's squash was the match I enjoyed the most after the 6 man only b/c I <3 Cesaro :lol
 
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That the tag w/Regal vs Batista & Flair? If so I watched it last year and came out of it a really big fan. Really simple and well structured match with everyone putting in a good shift. Flair was great as the old man eating a beating and Batista was being booked very well as the enforcer/muscle on the way to stardom.

The Evolution vs Benoit/Jericho/Benjamin/Tajiri/Edge combination tags over RAW 2004 are all really special. Personal favourite has to be the 6 man elimination tag the night after Bad Blood 2004, with Benoit/Edge/Jericho vs Batista/Flair/Orton. Wonderful match with some great build to Orton/Benoit and especially how Benoit manages to escape the RKO which is built up as a match ender through the eliminations of Jericho & Edge.
 
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That's the one, WOOLCOCK. Regal & Benoit on a team vs FLAIR & a well booked Batista going 15 minutes. Yep, it was quality. MOTN on that event without a doubt.

2004 was the year of the grand Evolution tags. It was the year they were in full force - till Orton got axed in mid to late August - and it REALLY captured the essence of the Four Horseman the best during their tenure.
 
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I'd say Benoit's tag destroys the crap Orton/HHH match. I'm pretty big on the tag, tbhayley.

Already shared my thoughts on the TLC 6 man enough. It's on par with what has been dropped already. Pure brilliant chaos. Ryback tackling Reigns into the stage set up might be my favorite spot only b/c it captured the mayhem of the match. Always be a sucker for the Blackout on the chair. It's FAR too brutal/amazing to not mark for.

The 6 man saved that PPV too. It's such a one match show when you look at it. Cesaro's squash was the match I enjoyed the most after the 6 man only b/c I <3 Cesaro :lol
You didn't like the Cena/DOLPH ladder match or Show owning Sheamus with the OVERSIZED CHAIR~!?
 
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