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#11,181 ·
Cena-Lesnar from Extreme Rules is like a top TEN company match for me ever, so like... Obviously it's my MOTY , with Punk-Bryan KIND OF close (since it's almost ***** too believe it or not), and some others (HHH-Lesnar, HHH-Taker, Punk-Jericho WM) in the distance. FUCK. When I'm done this project I'm going to see all of this again.

In regards to Punk being better than Benoit & Guerrero in the ring ; he ISN'T. Is he THAT far off ? Nope, I really believe he isn't despite how much some people may hate that idea. If I were to say who's the better TOTAL PACKAGE of the three however ; the discussion would get really interesting between Guerrero and Punk.

I went back through the years and started GRADING guys out of 20 ; out of 10 for their in-ring skills, and out of 10 for their mic work, to determine who is the best "total package" in history, as well as breaking the list down into tiers. You can only be a "total package" in my eyes by having a 7.5 or over in both categories, so although they're better than some of these guys and SCORED HIGHER, (Benoit & Bret come to mind) they didn't average out well enough to make the cut. I'm talking about people who can wrestle just as good as they can cut promos.

The "Ric Flair" Tier

Ric Flair (Obviously) : 10/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills.

Ric Flair is the Greatest Wrestler of all time in my eyes. I've made that well known to pretty much everybody out there that will read my stuff, and as far as perfection comes in the industry, whether it be consistency OR great primes, Flair has EVERYBODY beaten. If I listed my top 10 GOAT matches, Flair would be in atleast 4 of them, and if I listed my top 10 promos ever, he might be in half of them. I just LOVE the guy.

The "Nearly Damn Perfect All Around" Tier

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9/10 Mic 18 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.75 In-Ring, 8.25 Mic 18 total

The "All Time Great" Tier

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 8.5 Mic 17.5 Total
Mick Foley : 8/10 In-Ring, 9.75/10 Mic 17.75 Total
CM Punk : 8.75 In-Ring, 8.75 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 8.5 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16 Total
Triple H : 8.25 In Ring, 7.75 Mic 16 Total

The "CLOSE To All Time Greatness" Tier

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Shawn Michaels : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 7.5 In-Ring, 8/10 Mic 15.5 Total

Probably missing alot of guys, but those are probably the 10 guys that I'd consider to be the best all-around talent that the WWE has ever seen. Guys like Benoit (10 In-Ring, 6 Mic) , Bret (9.75 In Ring, 7 Mic), and BACKLUND (9.5 In Ring, 7 Mic) would have a higher overall score (this being BETTER) than nearly half of the guys on my list, but it's a "complete packages" list so whatever.

In regards to Punk ; I think he definitely has a shot to hit that "Top 5 Total Package" status and beat out Savage & Foley in the future if he can. Personally, if he went out and had the same past two years in terms of match quality and promos for the NEXT 2-3 years, I could probably justify in my own mind putting him second. I don't think we'll ever see another Nature Boy, the Michael Jordan of wrestling in my eyes.

TRUST ME... I know how flawed alot of this is, so don't get on my case for it :lol Now it's off to watch some HBK-HHH :)
You need more Terry Funk in your life, trust me you won't regret it. Funk's in that all time great tier.
 
#11,182 ·
That's it ; I HAVE to order Summerslam 2012 for DAT BORK-TRIPS MATCH.

One of my all-time dream matches, which is probably why I think it's the 3rd greatest match of the year, and above the HHH-Taker HIAC :p

I LOVE Terry Funk, don't get me wrong. I've def have him up there with the GOAT if I say more of him besides his 87-present material (which is still awesome). Like I said before though, disregard those rankings entirely, it's probably the most retarded thing I've ever written... The GOAT debate is completely subjective to what an individual defines as being the GOAT.

If I were to pick somebody to be the Michael Jordan/Wayne Gretzky of wrestling, I'd choose DA TRUE GOAT :flair3
 
#11,183 ·
HHH/Brock was awesome, totally exceeded my extremely low expectations (low because of Trips being in the match lol). Not as good as Brock/Cena, but still probably a top 10 match for the year which is impressive since we've had some tremendous matches.
FUCK OFF

Now that you mention it, I need to come up with a top 10 list for 2012. Barring a huge surprise this Sunday, I think it's safe to solidify my list.
 
#11,186 ·
That's a good idea. Two completely different matches with two completely different atmospheres. Loving the polar opposites being neck and neck for MOTY. As of now, I'm still leaning towards HIAC.

A somewhat related aside: I've seen lots of people knock Michaels' acting in HIAC. I, for one, thought it only added to the drama of the match.
 
#11,188 ·
Brock/HHH gets *** from me. And I tried watching it a couple of weeks ago and ended stopping shortly after Brock took off the gloves. Just got way too boring for me and maybe it was because I worked a long day, but I just couldn't get into the match at all. I'll attempt another viewing of it at some point maybe next week... or within the next few months... years... I'll try to get around to it sometime this decade.

I do admit though, I still mark for Brock taking off the gloves. It's just too bad-ass for that match.

Edit: Also, I don't get the ragging on HBK's acting in the cell match. Of course for me, it always goes back to the fact 99% suck at acting outside of their one character (which even then they may be bad at), so HBK's acting didn't stick out from the pack in WWE. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't truly good, but for WWE level acting it was fine.
 
#11,190 ·
Would anybody else here seriously consider RAGING if they put Rybotch over Lesnar @ Mania ?

It would seriously be one of those things that could cause me to take an exile away from the current product.
 
#11,193 ·
^^^^^ Because if there is no measure of objectivity then all we're doing is discussing opinions, which isn't bad by any means, but there's nothing to hold things together because it's all opinion. In order to have a discussion like that you need at least some sort of factual basis to work off. Or maybe that's just my law degree kicking in lol. DAT FACTUAL BASIS 4 EVERYTHING DURR.

Thoughts on this?



From 4.00 up until around 8.30ish. Interesting stuff from Show. Just wondering if people here agree/disagree with what he's saying about 'dips' in tag matches and the like. The whole thing is actually worth a listen imo. Great interview.

Trips will eliminate Brock in the Rumble. DAT REMATCH HYPE.
 
#11,194 ·
Would anybody else here seriously consider RAGING if they put Rybotch over Lesnar @ Mania ?
Yeah, I was furious when Cena went over him so Ryback going over would be even worse. Then again, it's all about business so I can see it happening.


which HBK/Ramon match should I review next :hmm:
Which have you done so far?


edit @ Mr Hands - I think we were talking about a collective forum GOAT list based on a set of criteria. Of course your own personal list will be subjective.
 
#11,197 ·
List of people who I wanna see Brock work with before he's gone for real (in order of importance to me):

1. Sheamus - The guy's a fucking workhorse and he's the perfect size to face Lesnar. Power vs. Power, it'd be be pretty damn awesome in my eyes. I'm imagining Lesnar taking a Brogue Kick that breaks his nose or some crazy shit like that. STIFF! Make it happen!

2. The Undertaker - I don't have to say anything here, do I?

3. Triple H - Their Summerslam match was nothing like I expected. It was good in terms of psychology and physicality but lacked in the shock factor that made the Cena match so special. I'd have no problem seeing a rematch where they just slug it out with some Attitude Era like brawling. Cena/Lesnar with a mixture of Punk/HHH.

4. The Rock - This is a question mark in terms of how the match would play out but it's interesting enough to make me wanna buy a PPV for it. Perhaps Mania?

Honorable Mentions: (these are all guys I'd like to see him go one-on-one with but realistically I don't think will ever happen due to factors such as size, their position on the card, or importance to the company)

- CM Punk
- Daniel Bryan
- Randy Orton
- Mark Henry
- Tensai


You'll notice John Cena nowhere near my list. That's based on the sole fact that their match this year was just so incredible I don't think it should ever try to be recreated or insulted by the idea of a rematch.
 
#11,198 ·
I wanna see Lesnar work with Undertaker, followed by Rock, and maybe Cena if he gets his win back. After that, a long way after that, maybe Ryback, and that would be it. Everyone else can fuck off.
 
#11,200 ·
Btw, Show just called the Mania 30 main event involving :hogan. I did not just make that up lol.

SPECULATE
Oh Jesus.

I wanna see Lesnar work with Undertaker, followed by Rock, and maybe Cena if he gets his win back. After that, a long way after that, maybe Ryback, and that would be it. Everyone else can fuck off.
I would think the only real candidates are Taker/Rock/Cena/HHH/Punk. Nobody else is really on that level. Maybe Ryback.
 
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