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#11,081 ·
A well worked Kennedy match.

There is no such thing.
I'm not even a fan of his, but that match was better than I expected it to be. Not very familiar with him yet but if this thread is anything to go by, he's got some good stuff from late 06-early 07 to his name.

On a side-note: the next SD episode I'll watch tomorrow has the only Eddie Guerrero/Randy Orton one-on-one match ever. :mark:
 
#11,082 ·
I knew it! Wikipedia is a damn liar.
I crush Wikipedia's facts.

I said this last night in another thread and for me no match this year told a better story in the ring, had an atmosphere as intense & exhausting, and was the perfect END (to a four year story arc) like the Undertaker vs. HHH with HBK as special ref Hell In A Cell at WrestleMania 28. It was so thrilling and exhausting to witness. It wasn't just a match it was an experience for me sitting at ringside. I say Lesnar/Cena live as well from Allstate Arena and I had never seen such brutality and physicality in a pro wrestling match but the story & emotional tied to the End Of An Era puts it over the top in a close battle for Match Of The Year 2012.
I gave both the same snowflakes. Although, I'd greatly take Cena vs Brock over it. Even with me having the satisfaction of Undertaking winning and continuing the streak.

@ mk92071 ~ (Y) at the reviews. Jeff/Umaga matches were always worth watching. Can't wait for you to see the GAB match. I'm not overhyping it either. It has one of the best babyface comebacks I think I've seen. Especially vs such a BEAST of an opponent. You seen it before?


@ Choke2Death ~ Glad to see you loved the 4 way from No Mercy. That match is underrated. It's great. I hated that Handicap Casket match. Bored me to tears. Only part of the Taker/Orton feud I disliked. Show more love to JBL/Mysterio please. Their chemistry is wonderful. JBL's promos are THE BEST too.
 
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@ Choke2Death ~ Glad to see you loved the 4 way from No Mercy. That match is underrated. It's great. I hated that Handicap Casket match. Bored me to tears. Only part of the Taker/Orton feud I disliked. Show more love to JBL/Mysterio please. Their chemistry is wonderful. JBL's promos are THE BEST too.
Believe it or not, I usually skip JBL's segments when he has a mic. He's like SD's own Triple H in that he never shuts the fuck up and spends 10 minutes just to say the same ol' shit. I'm still a fan, though. Just not a fan of lengthy, dragged out promos that are based on cheap heat (how many times has he cut promos about Mexican stereotypes? I've lost count) or self-dick sucking (I'M A WRESTLING GAAAAAAWD AND A GREAT AMERICAN!). The match was good but I gotta be honest, I watched it yesterday before I went to bed and I've pretty much forgotten most of it already. I'm very excited for their JD2006 match, though. Have a feeling I'll like it but will wait until it's time to watch it.

Love EVERYTHING involving Taker/Orton including that casket match. Dunno why, but Orton wrestling in 2004-2007 is eye candy to me. And I've already seen the 4 way before, but didn't remember much save for the finish. A rewatch refreshed my memories and I still enjoy it as much.
 
#11,085 ·
I crush Wikipedia's facts.
@ mk92071 ~ (Y) at the reviews. Jeff/Umaga matches were always worth watching. Can't wait for you to see the GAB match. I'm not overhyping it either. It has one of the best babyface comebacks I think I've seen. Especially vs such a BEAST of an opponent. You seen it before?
Never watched the GAB match. Only seen the ONS match in their series up till yesterday. Looking forward to it.

I wasn't a fan of the Cena/Lesnar match this year. The atmosphere was good, but the match not so much. Just didn't care for Lesnar and his character. The match failed to get me into it. I haven't watched it in a while (but I have seen it multiple times) but last I remembered it just seemed like Brock tossed Cena and the referees around until Cena hit the AA. I wasn't into any of the big spots either, and the blood didn't add anything to the match imo. The few times I watched it I never considered giving it *** or above because I didn't enjoy it.
 
#11,086 ·
Believe it or not, I usually skip JBL's segments when he has a mic. He's like SD's own Triple H in that he never shuts the fuck up and spends 10 minutes just to say the same ol' shit. I'm still a fan, though. Just not a fan of lengthy, dragged out promos that are based on cheap heat (how many times has he cut promos about Mexican stereotypes? I've lost count) or self-dick sucking (I'M A WRESTLING GAAAAAAWD AND A GREAT AMERICAN!). The match was good but I gotta be honest, I watched it yesterday before I went to bed and I've pretty much forgotten most of it already. I'm very excited for their JD2006 match, though. Have a feeling I'll like it but will wait until it's time to watch it.

Love EVERYTHING involving Taker/Orton including that casket match. Dunno why, but Orton wrestling in 2004-2007 is eye candy to me. And I've already seen the 4 way before, but didn't remember much save for the finish. A rewatch refreshed my memories and I still enjoy it as much.
Some of his promos were drawn out. The ones on Mexicans were my favorites though. Classic rich asshole bully. Brilliant. No Mercy crushes Judgment Day '06 imo. JD is good. Some people find it to be great. I'm sure you'll like it either way.

I was the same way with Orton. Except for that match. I rather was his match vs a one legged Hogan @ Summerslam '06 than that match. To it's credit, the Hogan match was A LOT better than I expected. Btw, the Orton/Eddie match went 15 minutes (including commercial) So, it should go about 11-12 total. I haven't since the night it aired (which explains the time I have) but I bet it's quality. Eddie rolling with his tweener shenanigans and Orton at his peak.
 
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Some of his promos were drawn out. The ones on Mexicans were my favorites though. Classic rich asshole bully. Brilliant. No Mercy crushes Judgment Day '06 imo. JD is good. Some people find it to be great. I'm sure you'll like it either way.

I was the same way with Orton. Except for that match. I rather was his match vs a one legged Hogan @ Summerslam '06 than that match. To it's credit, the Hogan match was A LOT better than I expected. Btw, the Orton/Eddie match went 15 minutes (including commercial) So, it should go about 11-12 total. I haven't since the night it aired (which explains the time I have) but I bet it's quality. Eddie rolling with his tweener shenanigans and Orton at his peak.
Yeah, some of them are quality. Like the one on the border and the promo on Rey with the goofy clothing and the camel is actually among his better ones. I'm mainly talking about his promos earlier in 05 in his final months as champion and during the Batista feud. It was truly the same ol' shit but he has a gem from January which I found hilarious. He talks about winning some kind of award and that kids chant his name every morning on their breakfast tables. :lol Too bad I can't find it on youtube or even dailymotion. It's from 13/1/05 if you wanna see it.

And I guess it comes down to opinions because the Hogan match was dragged down heavily by the fact that the Hulkster was barely able to move whereas the casket match I found entertaining. Glad the Eddie match gets over 10 minutes. Should be good enough as I didn't even know that the two wrestled each other before Eddie's death in a singles match.
 
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Yeah, some of them are quality. Like the one on the border and the promo on Rey with the goofy clothing and the camel is actually among his better ones. I'm mainly talking about his promos earlier in 05 in his final months as champion and during the Batista feud. It was truly the same ol' shit but he has a gem from January which I found hilarious. He talks about winning some kind of award and that kids chant his name every morning on their breakfast tables. :lol Too bad I can't find it on youtube or even dailymotion. It's from 13/1/05 if you wanna see it.

And I guess it comes down to opinions because the Hogan match was dragged down heavily by the fact that the Hulkster was barely able to move whereas the casket match I found entertaining. Glad the Eddie match gets over 10 minutes. Should be good enough as I didn't even know that the two wrestled each other before Eddie's death in a singles match.
Yep. The Batista program is where I was referring to. Nothing about that program was good. Decent brawl at Summerslam '05 was it. haha. I don't recall that, but I'll TRY and scope it out. Doubtful if you couldn't find it yourself. Maybe I'll get Yeah1993 on it. He's the magician for finding things on the streaming sites.

Oh yeah, of course. I seem to be the only guy who doesn't like the casket match. No bother to me. I simply couldn't get into it. Maybe if it lacked Bob Orton Jr, I wouldn't be so negative on it. Maybe. Yep. One of Eddie's final bouts too. Strategic move to place him in the ring with one of the bigger/better heels at the time. Get that return to the face side going. Explains the bout vs Kennedy too. I wonder if Eddie made that any good. I know I marked big time for the finish back in the day.
 
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I'll try uploading that JBL segment on youtube. Got nearly all of 2005 so maybe I should give uploading a try. A tag match with the guys from the No Mercy 4-way already got past the copyright bullshit, so I'll see if I can upload more. I'll link it here or alternatively, via rep if I am successful.
 
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Cena-Lesnar from Extreme Rules is like a top TEN company match for me ever, so like... Obviously it's my MOTY , with Punk-Bryan KIND OF close (since it's almost ***** too believe it or not), and some others (HHH-Lesnar, HHH-Taker, Punk-Jericho WM) in the distance. FUCK. When I'm done this project I'm going to see all of this again.

In regards to Punk being better than Benoit & Guerrero in the ring ; he ISN'T. Is he THAT far off ? Nope, I really believe he isn't despite how much some people may hate that idea. If I were to say who's the better TOTAL PACKAGE of the three however ; the discussion would get really interesting between Guerrero and Punk.

I went back through the years and started GRADING guys out of 20 ; out of 10 for their in-ring skills, and out of 10 for their mic work, to determine who is the best "total package" in history, as well as breaking the list down into tiers. You can only be a "total package" in my eyes by having a 7.5 or over in both categories, so although they're better than some of these guys and SCORED HIGHER, (Benoit & Bret come to mind) they didn't average out well enough to make the cut. I'm talking about people who can wrestle just as good as they can cut promos.

The "Ric Flair" Tier

Ric Flair (Obviously) : 10/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills.

Ric Flair is the Greatest Wrestler of all time in my eyes. I've made that well known to pretty much everybody out there that will read my stuff, and as far as perfection comes in the industry, whether it be consistency OR great primes, Flair has EVERYBODY beaten. If I listed my top 10 GOAT matches, Flair would be in atleast 4 of them, and if I listed my top 10 promos ever, he might be in half of them. I just LOVE the guy.

The "Nearly Damn Perfect All Around" Tier

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9/10 Mic 18 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.75 In-Ring, 8.25 Mic 18 total

The "All Time Great" Tier

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 8.5 Mic 17.5 Total
Mick Foley : 8/10 In-Ring, 9.75/10 Mic 17.75 Total
CM Punk : 8.75 In-Ring, 8.75 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 8.5 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16 Total
Triple H : 8.25 In Ring, 7.75 Mic 16 Total

The "CLOSE To All Time Greatness" Tier

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Shawn Michaels : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 7.5 In-Ring, 8/10 Mic 15.5 Total

Probably missing alot of guys, but those are probably the 10 guys that I'd consider to be the best all-around talent that the WWE has ever seen. Guys like Benoit (10 In-Ring, 6 Mic) , Bret (9.75 In Ring, 7 Mic), and BACKLUND (9.5 In Ring, 7 Mic) would have a higher overall score (this being BETTER) than nearly half of the guys on my list, but it's a "complete packages" list so whatever.

In regards to Punk ; I think he definitely has a shot to hit that "Top 5 Total Package" status and beat out Savage & Foley in the future if he can. Personally, if he went out and had the same past two years in terms of match quality and promos for the NEXT 2-3 years, I could probably justify in my own mind putting him second. I don't think we'll ever see another Nature Boy, the Michael Jordan of wrestling in my eyes.

TRUST ME... I know how flawed alot of this is, so don't get on my case for it :lol Now it's off to watch some HBK-HHH :)
 
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I'd put Taker/HHH above Lesnar/Cena, but neither gets my nod for MOTY, and neither get in my top 5. Punk/Bryan OTL by far gets MOTY for me.

As far as K1ngofK1ng's grading, here's how I put it (not going to change the order since I'm too lazy, just changing the grades)


Ric Flair (Obviously) : 9/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills 19 Total.

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9.5/10 Mic 18.5 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.5/10 In-Ring, 9.5 Mic 19 total

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 9 Mic 18 Total
Mick Foley : 7.5/10 In-Ring, 10/10 Mic 17.5 Total
CM Punk : 8.5 In-Ring, 9 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 9 In-Ring, 8 Mic 17 Total
Triple H : 8 In Ring, 8 Mic 16 Total

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 5 Mic 13 Total
Shawn Michaels : 9 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 9 In-Ring, 10/10 Mic 19 Total
 
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TBH, the only reason I didn't give a 10 to Foley on the mic is I wanted to clearly represent how I believe Flair is SLIGHTLY better on the mic than him. Foley is a close number two no doubt, but the GOAT is gonna GOAT :flair3
 
#11,098 ·
I swear, every time I get off work you guys have added like 4 pages to this in a 5 hour window... Is there like a time frame we have to get this rivalry project done? I've been watching an ass ton of WWE lately and I feel like switching over to somethin else for a bit. Need to finish Slammiversary from this year and watch as much PWG & DGUSA as possible after all the Black Friday orders I made.
 
#11,099 ·
I'd put Foley above Flair on the mic, though they'd be my top 2.
 
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