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Match is from 10th September 2010. Was when Undertaker was still selling the attack from Kane that put him out for a while, and holy fuck did he do a TREMENDOUS job throughout the match. Might be the best example of a wrestler selling EVER. So pleased it was released on the best of SD 09-10 Bluray. Seeing matches like that in HD is :mark:.
 
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Yeah, that's how the match ends. My review of it:

The Undertaker Vs CM Punk - WWE Smackdown 10/09/2010

Not often I get the "big match feel" from a TV main event these days, but they managed to do it here thanks to the great promo at the start of the show between these two men, and the fact that Punk sent the SES to the back so he could do this on his own.

Punk is determined to make a statement tonight against The Undertaker, while The Undertaker is here to show his brother Kane that despite not being 100%, and having not wrestled for a couple of months, he can still go. Pretty high stakes for both men in terms of storylines (Undertaker) and character (Punk).

Pointed this out in the SD thread, but I gotta mention it again; the pop Undertaker gets for doing nothing more than taking off his hood and rolling his eyes back is EPIC.

Undertaker is taking things slowly, not rushing into anything straight away, because he realises he isn't at his best, and Punk IS a dangerous man. Despite a slow start though, Undertaker gets in control as he begins to work over the arm, setting up to Old School and then something bigger. However, in his weakened state, Undertaker isn't able to keep his balance and falls on the ropes. Punk looks a little shocked at what just happened, but doesn't waste much time in taking advantage.

The awesomeness that is Punk comes out now, as he starts working over the arm and screams "how do you like it?" at Undertaker. Undertaker makes Punk look like a million *insert currency here* with how he takes Punk's offence and how he sells it too. Not often you see Undertaker getting dropped from a single Punk, especially not from a smaller guy, but it happens here. Undertaker knows exactly how his character should be acting due to the circumstances, and he plays it better than maybe anyone else in the world could. Going back to what Clique said about Undertaker being the best seller ever, matches like this prove that he might very well be the best seller in the world RIGHT NOW at the very least.

We get a few Undertaker hope spots, but between Punk cutting him off, and Undertaker simply not being able to follow up, Punk continues to control this match and looks certain to win.

Punk continues to look extremely strong in this match even when Undertaker is making a comeback, mainly during the part where he goes punch for punch with the Dead Man in the centre of the ring for longer than anyone Punk's size should, and also kicking out of a Chokeslam!

The finish keeps Punk looking strong too, as he finally hits the GTS, but can't follow up straight away due to taking the Chokeslam a few moments ago. When he finally crawls over for the cover, Undertaker pulls out THAT SUBMISSION HOLD and gets the victory. Like I said, keeps Punk looking strong due to kicking out of the Chokeslam and managing to hit his finisher, and then showing us that The Undertaker can still pull out the quick win when it comes down to it. Helps with the build to the NOC match with Kane too.

This is one hell of a match. Undertaker sold his "condition" incredibly, and Punk looked fantastic with his offence and how he controlled 90% of this match, and came sooooo damn close to actually winning. Kept both men looking strong, and continued the great build up to Kane Vs The Undertaker. Not sure if I would call it the current TV MOTY, but its real close.

Rating: ****
 
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I was just watching Taker/HHH from Mania 28 the other day and thought I'd raise this question for the thread:

What is the best nearfall you've ever seen? I'm sure this topic has been addressed before, but I don't recall it being discussed in this thread (and most of the best WWE posters post in here, so rather than make a thread in the Generic section I'm asking it here).

I'll get the discussion started with HHH Tombstoning Taker @ WM27 and Taker kicking out of the DX finisher combo @ WM28.
 
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Tombstone kickout at Mania 27 is a big one. Between the amount of pedigrees HHH failed with, and the symbolism behind the move I thought for sure he'd ended it. Funny story was that despite never being a supporter of these 'HHH is the biggest asshole everz' groups, the minute the ref started to count my initial thought was 'that big nosed bastard has booked himself to win it hasn't he?'...must be a bigger Taker fan subconsciously than I ever thought I was :lmao.

It might be pretty tame all things considered, but Sheamus kicking out of the AA at Money In the Bank 2010 really shocked me. The whole finishing stretch with Nexus surrounding the ring and Cena looking in trouble, only to counter at the last minute and hit an AA from out of nowhere..it just felt like the perfect finish which made no sense (Sheamus only having won the belt the month prior) and I figured it was their way of hotshotting the belt into the Cena/Nexus feud. So to see Sheamus kick out as I was already lambasting creative for killing another young guy before he'd even had a proper chance caught me completely off guard.

From my younger days, Taker kicking out of the Sledgehammer at Wrestlemania 17 was pretty big. I'd only just gotten into WWF a few months prior, so had no clue about the winning streak (even if it wasn't properly referenced at the time) and bought it as the finish.

There are tons of amazing false finishes in Puro and Lucha, the Villano/Atlantis Mask vs Mask match from 2000 being the obvious frontrunner. An insane amount of nearfalls from pinning combinations and each one was timed superbly and had me on the edge of my seat trying to figure out who was winning. The one true advantage of Lucha not operating in the US style of having 'traditional finishers' and instead having any move be capable of winning even the biggest of matches.
 
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Taker/HHH @ Mania 27. I was there live for that and legit shit a brick. I have my reaction on video too because I was recording when it happened. So fucking funny lol. OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, OH MY GAWDDDD!!! WHAT!! WHAT!! NOOOO, NOOOO, YESSSSSSS, YESSSSSS, YESSSSSS, ONE, TWO, THRE-NOOOOOOOHHHHHMYYYYYGAWWWDDDD WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED HOLY FUCKING SHITTTTTTT AHHHHHHH! It goes something like that lol.
 
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Taker/HHH @ Mania 27. I was there live for that and legit shit a brick. I have my reaction on video too because I was recording when it happened. So fucking funny lol. OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, OH MY GAWDDDD!!! WHAT!! WHAT!! NOOOO, NOOOO, YESSSSSSS, YESSSSSS, YESSSSSS, ONE, TWO, THRE-NOOOOOOOHHHHHMYYYYYGAWWWDDDD WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED HOLY FUCKING SHITTTTTTT AHHHHHHH! It goes something like that lol.
:vince
 
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HBK kicking out of the Tombstone at WM 25 was bigger than the WM 27 Undertaker kicking out of the Tombstone imo.
Was there live for both. Taker kicking out of the Tombstone felt like the bigger moment, mostly because if HBK didn't kick out, Taker just would have won the match but Taker not kicking out = STREAK OVER. The stadium legit lost their shit at that lol. Incredible moment.
 
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WWE live is awesome. Wrestlemania live is an experience. The whole weekend from the HOF to Mania to Raw. I just fucking love it lol and I actually think I need it tbh. It reminds me why I watch this shit and put up with all the crap they dole out the majority of the year. If I didn't go and experience that high I think it would really get to me lol.
 
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Best false finishes in recent memory:

-Taker kicking out of the tombstone at WM27 was something else. I really thought I was going to have to add HHH to my permanent "shit" list as the ref was counting the 1-2. I actually thought the match could've ended on the third pedigree, but I genuinely believed Taker was done with that tombstone.

-Barrett kicking out of the AA at HIAC is another one I thought wasn't going to happen. He looked really strong coming out of the match because of that, even if he didn't win clean (not like I was expecting it anyway).

-Batista kicking out of the tombstone at SVS 2007 in the cell was something I was not expecting. To that point the last time I could think of someone kicking out of the tombstone was WM14. I was sure Taker had the title won there, but Batista kicking out shocked me.

-Punk kicking out of the second AA at NOC is up there with WM27. Now I realize CM Punk kicked out of two AA's at MITB 2011, but he was a quasi-face at that point and being in his hometown, you could somewhat expect that. NOC though... it was unreal for him to kick out of two AA's imo. He was a full-blown heel and full-blown heels don't kick out twice of their opponent's finisher. Add to that it was so late in the match and you felt it could end at any moment, not to mention much like WM27, the wrestler I marked for had something that had been going on for a long time on the line against a guy who I wasn't particularly a fan of. So there was some emotional investment there and Cena popping up, hitting the second AA, and going right on Punk for the cover I knew it was over. Punk kicking out of that was unreal to me and it still is watching it back.

Then they go and have him get pinned by not even by an AA, but a stupid back suplex pin off the top rope, where he only just got lucky he was on top of Cena. I suppose they had to find some way to get them both pinned, but it would've been nice if it at least looked like Punk somehow maneuvered his way onto Cena. Or if Cena hit the move closer to the ropes, Punk grabs the rope with his hand, the ref counts the 3, Cena thinks he won and everyone thinks the ref somehow didn't see the hand on the rope, and Cena celebrates as he did. The announcer then states "The winner of this match... and still WWE Champion, CM PUNK!" To a lot of confusion and heat, and it doesn't really get explained until Raw, which would've been an amazing hook to find out how Cena was pinned (not necessarily how Punk wasn't). They basically do the same promo they did on Raw with Heyman, Punk, and the referee.
 
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Every fan needs to go to at least one. It's just incredible. WWE may fuck with your brain 364 days of the year lol but on that one night it's all worth it, to sit there, to feel it and to get carried away by it all. There's nothing like Wrestlemania live.
I had a chance to go to Wrestlemania 23 since it was in my home state. I regret not trying to get tickets though. I'm actually going to my first live wrestling event next month. It's not WWE, but it's a start. The problem I had was all my friends except for a few stopped watching wrestling after the attitude era was over. So, I never had anyone to go with.

Now some people say that attending a house show is more entertaining than a televised one. Is that true?
 
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