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#161 ·
Yeah I've not seen SS 1996 in a while but I was a fan of it last time around, though its a step step down from Wrestlemania 13. I seem to remember Cal or Yeah1993 being a big fan of (or at the very least discussing) an Austin/Bret match from Africa I believe, unless I've got the participants wrong but I'm 99% sure its those two.

Canadian Stampede 10 man also kicks all sorts of ass, and whilst we're on the matter of great multi mans the February 2000 10 man tag from Dallas featuring Cactus/Rock/Too Cool v HHH and The Radicalz also needs more love. An insane segment/match with an unbelieveable crowd which is honestly one of the best tv matches the company has put on IMO.
Yeah, I was pimping their match in South Africa at some point. Really good, but a step below their SS and WM matches.

Some people didn't like Bret no selling the Stunner at SS. I never had a problem with it, really. But it's weird that Bret never lost even once to Austin clean. Perhaps had he been around longer, no doubt a huge WWF title match would have happened and he would put Austin over.
The "no sell" of the Stunner was at WM.
 
#162 ·
Oh, I thought it was SS. It's been awhile since I seen it, must be getting old.

I was kinda disappointed in the In Your House match after Mania. Just seems like they would want their final ppv match to be special, but I guess that was just a blowoff match, but the weak DQ ending just seemed kinda lame.
 
#163 ·
Bret Hitman Hart: The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be

Disc One
Hart Foundation vs. British Bulldogs - ***
Hart Foundation vs. Killer Bees - *** 1/2

Disc Two
Bret Hart vs. Ricky Streamboat - ****
Bret Hart vs. Ted DiBiase - **** (Ted DiBiase DVD Please)
Hart Foundation vs. Rockers - ***3/4
Hart Foundation vs. Nasty Boys - ***
Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect (Summerslam) - ****3/4
Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog (Summerslam) - ****3/4
Bret Hart vs. Bam Bam Bigelow - ***1/2
Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect (King of the Ring) - *****
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (WrestleMania) - *****

Disc Three
Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - ****
Bret Hart vs Hakushi - ***
Bret Hart vs. Diesel - ****3/4 (Kevin Nash/Diesel DVD Please)
Bret Hart vs. British Bulldog (In Your House) - *****
Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin - ****3/4
Bret Hart vs. Undertaker - ****3/4
Bret Hart vs. Chris Benoit - ****1/2

Good lord, what a DVD set. I've never been a fan of Bret Hart but after watching this, he has my support. The documentary is brilliant but the matches, Jesus Christ they are great. Three ***** matches, Four ****3/4 matches and some ****1/2/****, you can't go wrong. The average match on this is well above ****. This set also reminded me how good DiBiase & Kevin Nash were and sets for both men would be a dead set buy from me. Great set and anyone who doesn't own it and has avoided it for so long like I had should get their hands on it ASAP. Only £7.99 on SilverVision.co.uk
Fantastic set. One of my favs. Bret is one of the best ever like him or not. Freakin workhorse.

Totally agree about DiBiase. He is from my wife's hometown and my home state so I'm a big fan. I'd buy this for sure. There could be some great matches, promos, etc. I'd love to hear your top 15-20 DiBiase matches.

Not a Nash fan. I have a hard time enjoying his matches. The ones with Bret and HBK were good but besides that....uuugh.
 
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#165 ·
I think Bret/Austin SS 1996 was a great match, but not a MOTYC or GOAT. It was simply a great match with great storytelling and strategies, but people overrate it more than sometimes. My rating: ***1/2
About right. I'm at the same rating. Maybe slightly higher, but yeah.


I prefer the SS match between Bret and Austin to WM, but only ever so slightly. Too COMPLETELY different matches, and it says a lot about them as performers that they can have 2 ***** (imo of course) matches during the same feud and tell 2 stories that are perhaps more different than any 2 matches between any 2 wrestlers in a series of matches.

As for Bret/Davey, I don't think too much to their matches. WM X with Owen is worlds above any Bret/Davey match for me. Don't like their cage match though. Urgh.
The Cage match certainly doesn't touch their WrestleMania X match. I have it at around *** 3/4. Still a great match in its own right.


Yeah I've not seen SS 1996 in a while but I was a fan of it last time around, though its a step step down from Wrestlemania 13. I seem to remember Cal or Yeah1993 being a big fan of (or at the very least discussing) an Austin/Bret match from Africa I believe, unless I've got the participants wrong but I'm 99% sure its those two.

Canadian Stampede 10 man also kicks all sorts of ass, and whilst we're on the matter of great multi mans the February 2000 10 man tag from Dallas featuring Cactus/Rock/Too Cool v HHH and The Radicalz also needs more love. An insane segment/match with an unbelieveable crowd which is honestly one of the best tv matches the company has put on IMO.
It's amongst the best 10-men tag team match; both the ones you mentioned. Both matches had super hot crowd and the action was non-stop. Incredible matches both and the atmosphere made it even better.
 
#166 ·
I gotta say, Hart/Diesel from Survivor Series 1995 is one of my favorite WWF/E matches of all time. It was a brilliant storytelling 101.
 
#167 ·
Great match, a lot better than their match at the Royal Rumble, although that was good too but the run-ins ruined the ending for me.

I wish they would do more elimination matches at SS. 1990 was my favorite. That year they had great elim. matches and then a grand finale match with the previous survivors in a final match. They really don't have the roster for that right now but hopefully one day they will again.
 
#169 ·
Bret Hart and Kevin Nash had some pretty good chemistry, although I feel Bret Hart had good chemistry with a lot of guys.

In terms of chemistry, I'd have to say that Eddie and Rey have the best I've ever seen. I know about Flair/Steamboat, which is incredible, but not really my personal favorite.

Not sure how "great" the chemistry was between HBK and Bret, though. Recently, the series of Jericho/Mysterio matches a couple years back is one of my favorite series of the modern E. Benoit/Angle did some beautiful things too.
 
#174 · (Edited)
Smackdown's Elimination Chamber ruled thanks to Mcintyre going on a badass rampage and proving his quality.
Lawler/Miz from the same show was also super, total Lawler formula match but they worked the Riley interference well and gave Lawler some convincing and good nearfalls but still established Miz as a champion by the end.

Cody/Rey and Punk/Orton were the two best matches at Wrestlemania 27 for me, really really good midcard matches with Cody/Rey having a great story centred around the face mask of Rhodes and Punk's workover of Orton's weakened left leg.

Punk/Orton II at Extreme Rules is fine, standard WWE gimmick match these days but its stiff and has some nice sequences and build throughout, a step down from Wrestlemania but perfectly watchable and the best match on the show unless Cody/Rey was better than I remembered. People will point to Christian/Del Rio but I wasn't overly impressed from memory, thought some of the spots were nice and Del Rio took some great bumps but single ladder matches aren't my cup of tea and I don't think its half the match Sheamus v Morrison was from TLC 2010 for example.
Christian/Orton Over The Limit is by far the best match of their series, wonderful face v face matchup with smooth counters that are built to well and don't come off as choreographed, callback spot to their TV match a few weeks prior is also magnificent and vintage Christian.

Rey/Punk from Capitol Punishment was really good as well, not their best match together but a fine outing from both men.

Henry/Sheamus from Summerslam is really really good IMO, total slugfest between two beasts and the finish was great in putting over Henry whilst protecting Sheamus and leaving the feud open for a rematch.

Henry/Orton from NOC is maybe Henry's best performance on his killer 2011 run, a very good match with Orton trying to work out ways to beat Henry but with Henry constantly looking immovable and impenetrable. Very smartly worked and surpassed my expectations given my distain for babyface Viper Orton.

Henry/Show from Vengeance is also extremely great, feels very reminiscent of Batista/Taker from Wrestlemania 23 with it being a total superheavyweight sprint with some good limb work and awesome big man spots for some great false finishes. I also really dug the finish and thought it pretty much defined the Henry character up until that point, shame the feud largely stagnates from this point onwards.

Not really a fan of much else tbh, Punk/Del Rio from memory isn't bad but I think its far lesser than what Punk produced with other workers over the year, Ziggler/Ryder at TLC is fun for a culmination of a long running angle but still not one of Ziggler's best matches. TLC 3 way is quite creative in trying to tease Punk losing but its hardly a great match. Ricardo and Del Rio take killer bumps though.

Definitely watch Henry/Bryan in the Steel Cage from late November if you get chance though, better than most PPV matches in quite a strong year PPV wise for WWE. Only goes 10 minutes but the selling, character dynamic and sequences are marvellous with some good callback spots throughout their mini feud within a month, the highlight being Bryan's counter to Henry's counter to the Labell Lock.
 
#175 ·
I gotta say, Hart/Diesel from Survivor Series 1995 is one of my favorite WWF/E matches of all time. It was a brilliant storytelling 101.
That was a great one.

There was this David V Goliath aspect to it and a great rubber match after 2 other title mathces (Royal Rumble and KotR if memory is correct) that were good but no pins or tap outs.
 
#176 ·
Just watched the 2012 Rumble match (got the DVD for like 8 dollars) and Cody Rhodes is the MVP hands down, imo. Still like the match alot and I got a good kick out of the Foley/Santino segment. My dad fucking loved it. :lmao

Got WM XIX finally too. :D
 
#177 ·
Best in-ring chemistry? For me hands down it's Flair and Steamboat. They had great matches in the 70's, early 80's, late 80's (obviously) and their match in I believe it was 93-94 was great as well. Perfect heel V perfect babyface...both great workers and sellers....just a perfect fit.

Some others that come to mind....

Bret Hart/ Austin
Bret/Owen
Bret/Perfect
Rick Rude/Steamboat
Angle/Benoit
Foley/HHH (some of their matches from 96-97 are really underrated)
Flair/Sting
Eddie/Rey
Pillman/ Jushin Thunder Liger
Savage/DiBiase
Savage/Flair
Taker/HBK
Edge/Cena
 
#179 ·
Cena and Edge had great chemistry together. I really can't think of one bad match both men have had.. Their Summerslam '06 match is probably the worst of their bouts and it's not even a bad match.

Cena and Triple H also had good chemistry likewise Cena and HBK. Honestly speaking, within the last 5 or 6 years John Cena has been one of the best in-ring workers in the company and has had good chemistry with almost all his opponents. Cena and Umaga was another good pairing and the guy even got a good match out of Khali.
 
#180 ·
I could see a Cena/Edge rivalry DVD down the road like the Bret/HBK one.

Totally agree with the chemistry of Sting/Vader and Punk/Cena being great
 
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