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DFUSCMAN · 12-05-2012, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by #PaulHeymanGuy

"If they really think these matches are that good, they would probably shit themselves back when, you know, wrestling was good.|

PLEASE , elaborate on what you mean when you say "when wrestling was good" . I've seen the best of the best as most of the individuals on this thread have, and from my point of view .... This is the greatest year from a work-standpoint since 2005. The top five matches from this year beat the top five matches of probably 17-18 of the last 20 years. AGAIN ; just my opinion.

In other news ; Sheamus is horribly underrated as a worker and deserves a 15+ minute match at Mania (I wish with Bryan). Orton-Sheamus could be a nice piece to go along with the other huge matches.

They can't handle DAT PUNK TITLE REIGN

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**ShowStopper '97** · 12-05-2012, 12:06 AM

Meaning when storylines made sense, more then 5 wrestlers were given storylines to work with, when mid-carders actually had storylines and characters and when more than just some of the roster gave a shit. Even Daniel Bryan said there are a ton of wrestlers backstage at TV Tapings just hoping they don't get picked to be in a match, but I digress. I think this year was very mediocre in terms of match quality. Outside of Punk and Bryan there was very little to watch in terms of good matches. The top 5 matches from this year don't come close to the top 5 matches in alot of other years for me. Like I said in my first post, outside of Punk/Bryan at OTL and Taker/Triple H at WM, I think there is a sizable drop off after that.

^"They can't handle DAT PUNK TITLE REIGN"

Huh? I actually like Punk...alot.

**The Beast Incarnate** · 12-05-2012, 12:09 AM

Everybody has an opinion , I'm just curious...

Five years out of the last 15 that you feel are better "match-wise" than 2012 ?

BTW, watching the NWO DVD now. Doc was short but okay, didn't really get too in depth, kind of a "NWO 4 DUMMIEZ" type deal. Watched the segments and now I'm onto the matches. Only really excited for Savage-DDP , everything else can go fuck itself. Gonna drop a full DVD review of this in a few days to let everybody know should they pick it up this holiday season

Because everybody values my opinion, right ?

**Obfuscation** · 12-05-2012, 12:14 AM

Which DDP vs Savage match is it? Their Great American Bash match made Savage's set so if it is Spring Stampede or Halloween Havoc then that rocks.

**The Beast Incarnate** · 12-05-2012, 12:23 AM

HALLOWEEN HAVOC

Honestly, I hope we eventually get another set with the third match on it. Their GAB match is one of my favorite (and best) WCW matches ever. Savage and DDP's feud was just so fucking awesome that I can't comprehend the sheer awesomeness. I have to get through an entire disc to get to that match though...

Outsiders vs Lex Luger/Sting/Randy Savage (Bash at the Beach 1996)

The first match from the set. This is so Hogan-Andre like in the sense that it's a VERY sub-par match with a great ending moment. However, this match is miles ahead of Hogan-Andre as Savage sometimes makes it watchable. Not good whatsoever , but perhaps the biggest moment in wrestling so I'll take it for what it is. LOVE Hogan's post match promo and how nuts Tony Schiavone goes at the prospect of Hulk turning heel

"HULK HOGAN YOU CAN GO TO HELL..... Tune in tomorrow night and.... STRAIGHT TO HELL " He changes his tone so fucking fast it's awesome

OH FUCK.... Giant vs Hogan from Road Wild next... I remember this match as the match of 1000 back-rakes .....

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Pretty entertaining DVD so far though.

DFUSCMAN · 12-05-2012, 12:28 AM

Just watched the Christian/Mcintyre match, wow that was great. ***3/4 LOVE THIS

This match just reaffirms why Mcintyre should at least be the workhorse of the midcard. Give him the IC belt and let him have great matches. He's such a great worker, his control workover segments are so damn entertaining. He's so great at the little things in a match. Mcintyre played a great desperate heel, the commentators bringing up his recent struggles really played to how much Mcintyre wanted to beat Christian. I loved the part where Mcintyre was stomping his feet in the cover, little things that add to character work.
Christian has great chemistry with anybody so this was bound to be a great match, having somebody like Mcintyre against him made this a fantastic match.

**Obfuscation** · 12-05-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by #PaulHeymanGuy

HALLOWEEN HAVOC

Honestly, I hope we eventually get another set with the third match on it. Their GAB match is one of my favorite (and best) WCW matches ever. Savage and DDP's feud was just so fucking awesome that I can't comprehend the sheer awesomeness. I have to get through an entire disc to get to that match though...

Outsiders vs Lex Luger/Sting/Randy Savage (Bash at the Beach 1996)

The first match from the set. This is so Hogan-Andre like in the sense that it's a VERY sub-par match with a great ending moment. However, this match is miles ahead of Hogan-Andre as Savage sometimes makes it watchable. Not good whatsoever , but perhaps the biggest moment in wrestling so I'll take it for what it is. LOVE Hogan's post match promo and how nuts Tony Schiavone goes at the prospect of Hulk turning heel

"HULK HOGAN YOU CAN GO TO HELL..... Tune in tomorrow night and.... STRAIGHT TO HELL " He changes his tone so fucking fast it's awesome

OH FUCK.... Giant vs Hogan from Road Wild next... I remember this match as the match of 1000 back-rakes .....

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Pretty entertaining DVD so far though.

SUDDEN DEATH MATCH~!

Yep. Spring Stampede needs to make a set now. Idc how. It has to. DDP vs Savage was the hightlight of my '97. Well tied with Undertaker as WWF Champion. It was my favorite program of the year. Trumping Austin vs Hart Foundation.

I don't mind the BATB 6 man. Crowd ate up all the elements. It had a classic finish although it was a no contest the moment Hogan dropped the leg on Savage. It's got appeal for me.

PLEASE don't watch Giant vs Hogan from Hog Wild. I'm serious. Never been more serious. You know it's a DUD. Skip it. Worst. Match. Ever.

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Originally Posted by DFUSCMAN

Just watched the Christian/Mcintyre match, wow that was great. **** LOVE THIS

This match just reaffirms why Mcintyre should at least be the workhorse of the midcard. Give him the IC belt and let him have great matches. He's such a great worker, his control workover segments are so damn entertaining. He's so great at the little things in a match. Mcintyre played a great desperate heel, the commentators bringing up his recent struggles really played to how much Mcintyre wanted to beat Christian. I loved the part where Mcintyre was stomping his feet in the cover, little things that add to character work.
Christian has great chemistry with anybody so this was bound to be a great match, having somebody like Mcintyre against him made this a fantastic match.

Catching Christian mid air -> into a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker + deadlift electric chair drop =

DFUSCMAN · 12-05-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Stocking Filled w/HAYLEY JOY~!

SUDDEN DEATH MATCH~!

Yep. Spring Stampede needs to make a set now. Idc how. It has to. DDP vs Savage was the hightlight of my '97. Well tied with Undertaker as WWF Champion. It was my favorite program of the year. Trumping Austin vs Hart Foundation.

I don't mind the BATB 6 man. Crowd ate up all the elements. It had a classic finish although it was a no contest the moment Hogan dropped the leg on Savage. It's got appeal for me.

PLEASE don't watch Giant vs Hogan from Hog Wild. I'm serious. Never been more serious. You know it's a DUD. Skip it. Worst. Match. Ever.

Catching Christian mid air -> into a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker + deadlift electric chair drop =

The electric chair spot was amazing. I LOVED where Mcintyre kicks christian's arm when he's going for the springboard roll up spot. Oh and when Mcintyre hits his shoulder on the post, that sounded so painful. Jeez.

Hog Wild is a horrendous match, but it's not even the worst match WCW put on in 1996.

How can we forget this gem.

Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Meng, The Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan, Z-Gangsta and The Ultimate Solution Tower of Doom match from WCW Uncensored. In other words it's the mega powers vs. the alliance

Ugh....that match is the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks

**ShowStopper '97** · 12-05-2012, 12:47 AM

1997

1. HBK/Taker HIAC *****
2. Hart/Austin WM13 *****
3. Owen/Bulldog 3/1/97 Raw ****3/4
4. HBK/Austin vs. Owen/Bulldog 5/26/97 Raw ****3/4
5. Bret Hart/Owen Hart/Davey Boy Smith/Jim Neidhart/Brian Pillman vs. Steve Austin/Legion of Doom/Goldust/Ken Shamrock Canadian Stampede ****1/2

(Honorable mention HBK/Austin KOTR 97, Triple H/Cactus Jack Street Fight at MSG Raw 9/22/97 and Triple H/Mankind Cage match at Summerslam 97, and HBK/Bret Survivor Series 97)

2000

1. Triple H/Cactus Jack RR 00 *****
2. Triple H vs. Cactus Jack (Hell in the Cell) *****
3. Edge/Christian vs. Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy vs. Bubba Ray Dudley/D-Von Dudley (Ladder) WM 2000 *****
4. Triple H/Rock Ironman Match Judgement Day 2000 ****1/2
5. Triple H/Jericho Fully Loaded 2000 ****1/2

2001

1. Chris Jericho/Benoit Ladder Match RR 01 *****
2. Austin/Rock WM 17 *****
3. Triple H vs Austin 3 Stages of Hell ****3/4
4. Edge/Christian vs. Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy vs. Bubba Ray Dudley/D-Von Dudley (Tables, Ladders & Chairs WM 2000 ****3/4
5. Kurt Angle vs. Steve Austin SummerSlam 01 ****1/2

2002

1. HBK/Triple H SummerSlam 02 *****
2. Brock/Taker HIAC *****
3. Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Unforgiven ****1/2
4. Rock/Brock SummerSlam 02 ****1/2
5. Hogan/Rock WM 18 ****1/4

2003

1. Angle/Benoit RR 03 *****
2. Angle/Lesnar WM 19 ****3/4
3. Austin/Rock WM 19 ****1/2
4. HBK/Jericho WM 19 ****1/2
5. Angle/Lesnar IronMan ****1/2
Honorable mention: Angle/Taker

**Obfuscation** · 12-05-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DFUSCMAN

The electric chair spot was amazing. I LOVED where Mcintyre kicks christian's arm when he's going for the springboard roll up spot. Oh and when Mcintyre hits his shoulder on the post, that sounded so painful. Jeez.

Hog Wild is a horrendous match, but it's not even the worst match WCW put on in 1996.

How can we forget this gem.

Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Meng, The Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan, Z-Gangsta and The Ultimate Solution Tower of Doom match from WCW Uncensored

Ugh....that match is the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks

Drew busting out a plethora of new moves to brutalize Christian's injured chest/rib area was gold. The kind of gems that you get out of matches on Superstars. Or used to. McIntyre needs a revival of his Chosen One push.

Oh lord. When you claimed there was a match worse than Hogan/Giant from '96 I was really gonna debate you. Then you mention Tower of Doom. I'll say they're equal in terms of being just total mindfucks on the bad scale. Tower of Doom was such a schmoz of a gimmick that it hurts my brain.

How does that and Finlay/Regal occur on the same show? You go from the highest high or the year to the lowest low in the span of 90 minutes.

I'd argue that Austin/Angle from Summerslam 2001 blew away everything else that year pardon the Two Man Power Trip vs Canadians tag.