[Yeah1993]

the Miz is KIIIIIIND of growing on me, but I still don't like him that much and he has a lot of flaws. Still, I think he can be good foil for a better wrestler. The Miz and Cena actually had a really, really fun match the night after Extreme Rules that's well worth watching.

Originally Posted by FuckChristmas

The fuck did you think watching that in the first place lol?

No idea. I'm kinda catching up with stuff I missed last year and I figured I should watch the major matches even if they aren't highly talked about. I've got Cena/R-Truth ready to watch. I'm telling you.....I have a masochistic side I can't fight. COUGHAndanotheroneIdon'twanttofightCOUGH

Originally Posted by Stocking Filled w/HAYLEY JOY~!

Did the irony of Orton/Christian being on the same show leave you vexed?

Orton/Christian RULED. I loved that they countered each others moves that always usually hit. Orton countered the over-the-top-rope-jump-uppercut thingy and Christian got out of the 2nd rope DDT.....THINGY! The final moments got that Heavyweight Championship Drama down excellently. Christian hasn't been the same since they turned him.

Anyone got a link to the Orton/Christian from that Presidential Whatever PPV? Can't find it anywhere.

[The Beast Incarnate]

The Miz sucks in the ring , but my biggest fault with him is that people confuse him for being good on the mic. No, being loud and trying to sound serious DOES NOT MAKE YOU GOOD ON THE MIC. Honestly though, even though Miz is pretty bad, I'd still have more faith in him putting on a **** match than Sin Cara and Ryback.

In the long run, I'm expecting Ryback to be better in the ring than Miz , but I just don't know anymore. Worst worker in the company ? Smart money's on the Paul Levesque Guy, Sin Cara :hhh

[Saint Dick]

Cena/Orton I Quit owns but I do understand why it varies opinions. Heavily character based matches will never be for everyone.

Orton and Barrett had some stinkers.

What's Christian doing these days? I'm assuming he's not around at the moment.

[Callamus]

Christian had shoulder surgery. Should be back soon along with Henry.

From what I gather, the BP match varies based on what people think to the finish.

[ShowStopper '97]

Cena/Orton Breaking Point was laughably bad. By the end of that trainwreck, I almost reached my breaking point (see what I did there?).

[Obfuscation]

Originally Posted by Yeah1993

Orton/Christian RULED. I loved that they countered each others moves that always usually hit. Orton countered the over-the-top-rope-jump-uppercut thingy and Christian got out of the 2nd rope DDT.....THINGY! The final moments got that Heavyweight Championship Drama down excellently. Christian hasn't been the same since they turned him.

Anyone got a link to the Orton/Christian from that Presidential Whatever PPV? Can't find it anywhere.

Fantastic contest. Blitzkrieg of action for the 16 minutes they're in there. Personal note that helped with my love for it was no heel Michael Cole bs commentary either. It was Josh & Booker straight up calling the match. I might be the only person to acknowledge that for what it is. Damn was it a breath of fresh air around that time, though.

Originally Posted by #PaulHeymanGuy

The Miz sucks in the ring , but my biggest fault with him is that people confuse him for being good on the mic. No, being loud and trying to sound serious DOES NOT MAKE YOU GOOD ON THE MIC. Honestly though, even though Miz is pretty bad, I'd still have more faith in him putting on a **** match than Sin Cara and Ryback.

In the long run, I'm expecting Ryback to be better in the ring than Miz , but I just don't know anymore. Worst worker in the company ? Smart money's on the Paul Levesque Guy, Sin Cara :hhh

I like Miz. He's not "great". He works for me. Second Yeah1993's mention of the 5/2/11 Cena vs Miz match. They seem to always pump out better matches on TV than on PPVs.

Kofi/Killings/Sin Cara are my votes. All 3 equally terrible.

If Ezekial Jackson was still around he'd get a mention too. Although he at least got to work with Christian to put one positive aspect on his dossier.

Originally Posted by Ownage™

Cena/Orton I Quit owns but I do understand why it varies opinions. Heavily character based matches will never be for everyone.

Orton and Barrett had some stinkers.

What's Christian doing these days? I'm assuming he's not around at the moment.

I'm a mark for character based matches. So naturally it was a lock for me to love it.

Christian upped and disappeared following a loss to Damien Sandow on RAW. MIA ever since. (thanks to KC I am finally confirmed he is injured. Fine excuse.)

[Saint Dick]

Originally Posted by FuckChristmas

Christian had shoulder surgery. Should be back soon along with Henry.

From what I gather, the BP match varies based on what people think to the finish.

Has Christian done anything of note this year?

I don't love the finish but it's not bad enough to ruin the match. Orton's most sadistic heel performance and a typically good display of Cena taking a beating like a champ.

[Callamus]

Christian was injured at the start of the year. Came back but was too early so he went again. Then he returned during the UK tour (and the show I went to, so go me, got to see his first match back ), had the run with Cody (one solid match, one not so special match). Then... uhhh... I dunno.

That WAS this year, right? I legit don't remember .

[sharkboy22]

I'm not so high on SS Triple Threat either. Another match I find to be a tad bit overrated is HHH vs Cena NOC 2008. That match is nowhere in the **** range for me.

I'm going to look at Cena/Orton BP for the first time. Will have my thoughts on it when I'm done.

Oh and call me crazy but does anyone else have Lesnar vs Rock at ****. Goddamn, what a great match and passing the torch moment.

[Saint Dick]

Miz strikes me as the type of guy who can have a good 10 minute match with the right guy but once you ask him to go 15+ it gets messy. His PPV match with Bryan is a gem though.

Haven't seen Ryback wrestle yet but the general consensus seems to be he's horrible. If he's going to be in and around the main event scene for while hopefully he can transform like Batista did.