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Old 12-04-2012, 12:04 AM   #9841 (permalink)
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I'm a big fan of his personality in a "so crazy it's entertaining" kind of way. Go watch his 60 minute "karma collects" video where he airs out Hogan's alleged dirty laundry, basically claiming in short that Hogan and his ex-wife were swinging dopeheads, and that Hogan used to keep other guys junkies just so that he could have control over them. Crazy, crazy stuff. Apparently he's the best guy to meet in person EVER though, like he's an absolute BLAST to meet, so I'm a fan just for that reason.

He has a top 50 WWF/WWE match ever against Savage at WM VII that some people even give the full ***** too. I have it at about **** 1/2 , and I believe his match with Hogan is a top 100-150 (gotta finish my own personal rankings tonight) match in history as well at **** 1/4. The dude didn't care that much , but I'd certainly put him over guys like Goldberg for sure.
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Warrior is a guy with some really matches (though I honestly have never loved the WM Savage match and I'm a Savage nut), but if watch random stuff from him it's kind of disappointing. Definitely wouldn't put him ahead of Goldberg, who is essentially Warrior but with a bigger feel to him, a better seller and a far, far, far superior squash wrestler. IDK if I'd rank any Warrior match next to Goldberg v DDP.*

You know fuck the universe I may watch Warrior/Savage 91 tonight. I've always liked the SummerSam re-match so much more and it's probably a case of me missing something.

* We should talk about DDP. That guy is awesome and seemed to be one of the guys who still gave a shit toward the tail end of WCW. He had a really, really fucking good 1998.
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YES, DDP vs Goldberg was one amazing match. He seemed to be one of the few guys that made the best of 1999 too.
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DDP got a great match out of the shitfest that was WCW Crow Sting , for that he should be awarded a fucking medal in his own right. Legit one of the only things that made "the best of Nitro vol 1." feel like a BEST OF comp, what an overrated DVD

Never saw the match with Goldberg, but I also heard that Goldberg and Steiner had a pretty awesome match in WCW`s dying days, and that Scott actually wasn't that bad in the ring pre-WWE 2002 ? I'm a pretty big Steiner fan (another ridiculous person, although he had a ton of talent) so I'd imagine that his 2000 matches weren't that bad to watch. Damnit now I wanna watch Goldberg-Steiner
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Crow Sting is underrated. Had good/really good matches with DDP, Flair, Benoit, Hart and I like the Hogan match at SuperBrawl 8.

Goldberg/Steiner is good, but I don't love it. Scott Steiner's typically good, yeah, but 1990-1994 tag team era Scott Steiner is pretty goddamn awesome.

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I'm kinda watching some of the WWE I missed from 2011, and I just finished the SmackDown Elimination Chamber, and I liked it a ton. Basically a multi-man spotfest cage match done about as good as it can be done. There was almost always something interesting going on. Rey ruled the match with his bumping, and not only his bumping, but his 'I have no control over where I am falling' post-bump flops. McIntyre coming in and slaughtering everyone is the greatest moment in any Chamber match I can remember. Barrett ate some nasty glass spots. Even when it looked like it was going to boil down to a presumably boring as shit Kane v Edge period the 10 second timer went off and someone came in. I watched the 2002 Chamber for the first time a couple of months ago and didn't like it anywhere near as much as this. This has to be my favourite Chamber easily. Where to folks rank it among the rest?
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I actually think he might be the worst guy on the roster that isn't someone like Khali who's physique handicaps how he can perform. His offence looks like shit, from the really weak strikes to the overly choreographed rope assisted armdrags that he hits so slow that they lose the impressive visual that 1997 Mysterio would have been able to create. His bumping and selling is really awkward in part to the mask which stops him from really being able to expressively sell, so he just flops around when taking offence and I find it impossible to actually root for him or consider it 'good'. I'm also not sure if guys are going easy on him or anything, but everytime recently I've seen him get worked over in a tag it looks like his opponents are being really gentle/tame in their offence. Maybe that's just the guys having off days/sloppy execution but it almost looks like a lot of them aren't committing themselves offence wise and when you take in how awkward his bumping is you have a guy who's managed to make a Mysterio year feel dull, to quote Yeah1993.

As for the 2011 EC. I think it would be a top 3 Chamber for me. The Raw 2009 NWO Chamber has always been a personal favourite of mine, but I'd happily call that more of a candidate for greatest Chamber performance by Mysterio, as opposed to the match as a whole being better than the New Years Revolution 05 Chamber or the Smackdown 2011 Chamber. Mcintyre was incredible in that match and I'm pretty sure anyone who's ever commented on the match cites him as one of the best things about the match.

Page/Goldberg is spectacular btw and a real credit to Page as a very good guy at structuring his matches to be able to work around the Goldberg formula and create something unique. Felt like every DDP transition/counter was timed/executed well enough to make him look smart and calculating and not making Goldberg look stupid and of course the famous Jackhammer counter and the pop is amazing.

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DDP got a great match out of the shitfest that was WCW Crow Sting , for that he should be awarded a fucking medal in his own right. Legit one of the only things that made "the best of Nitro vol 1." feel like a BEST OF comp, what an overrated DVD

Never saw the match with Goldberg, but I also heard that Goldberg and Steiner had a pretty awesome match in WCW`s dying days, and that Scott actually wasn't that bad in the ring pre-WWE 2002 ? I'm a pretty big Steiner fan (another ridiculous person, although he had a ton of talent) so I'd imagine that his 2000 matches weren't that bad to watch. Damnit now I wanna watch Goldberg-Steiner
Yep, Nitro match vs Sting in '99 was stellar. He also owned it up in some tag team affairs vs Benoit/Saturn that same year.

Watch the match vs Goldberg asap.

As for the Goldberg/Steiner Fall Brawl '00 match. Yep, I love it. The basis behind it was so cheesy and bad, then out of nowhere comes that awesome war. I'm sure it's on Dailymotion. Maybe even youtube. Nothing else from 2000 with Steiner was worth mentioning off the top of my head. Better off watching Mike Awesome matches.

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I'm kinda watching some of the WWE I missed from 2011, and I just finished the SmackDown Elimination Chamber, and I liked it a ton. Basically a multi-man spotfest cage match done about as good as it can be done. There was almost always something interesting going on. Rey ruled the match with his bumping, and not only his bumping, but his 'I have no control over where I am falling' post-bump flops. McIntyre coming in and slaughtering everyone is the greatest moment in any Chamber match I can remember. Barrett ate some nasty glass spots. Even when it looked like it was going to boil down to a presumably boring as shit Kane v Edge period the 10 second timer went off and someone came in. I watched the 2002 Chamber for the first time a couple of months ago and didn't like it anywhere near as much as this. This has to be my favourite Chamber easily. Where to folks rank it among the rest?
Probably my favorite Chamber behind the New Year's Revolution 2005. I bought that show a month ago and legit marked super hard during that entire bout. Unbelievable crowd mixed with a seriously fantastic bout - awesome, awesome, awesome.

Drew's demolition was my personal favorite part.
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Watched a handful of matches this morning.

Christian vs. Jack Swagger (ECW 02/25/09) - Yeah, this was my first time watching it. I know I'm late to the party, but this really was utterly fantastic. I regret not watching it a hell of a lot sooner. I guess the idea of Swagger always put me off, but he's GOOD here, definitely his best performance like ever. Christian is just perfection here, normally I prefer a heel Christian but fuck me, he's just as good if not better as a babyface. Ain't nobody selling the arm like Christian these days!

CM Punk vs. The Miz vs. Alberto Del Rio (TLC 2011) - Jesus, I didn't like this. I can't quite put my finger on it, there's plenty of stuff there that normally, I'd love but for whatever reason, this just didn't click with me. Punk's the babyface with the HEART OF A LION, there's never any moments where you feel like Punk could genuinely lose. Ricardo took the bump of the match. Del Rio becomes a non-factor towards the end. Miz can fuck right off. Nah, not for me.

I "watched" a Punk/Christian match from last year but fell asleep.
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I was pretty high on that Punk vs Christian match last year. Partial. I'll admit that. It was good though.

**** for the TLC match. Dug the different elements that put Punker in peril. Don't know if I would have completely bought it as a lock that he'd lose if I saw it live. Can't say that garnered any displeasure from me. It was different and interesting, nonetheless.
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HH against Goldberg is awesome, but don't forget their Nitro match too! Almost as good imo, but had a screwy finish. Love his SuperBrawl 8 match (I think) with Benoit. Triple threat with Benoit and Raven is really good too. 2 great matches with Sting in 98 and 99 on Nitro. Shame his heel title run in 99 was cut EXTREMELY short with the title randomly going back to a returning Sting. And over a decade later shit like that was STILL happening with Sting (winning the title randomly on Impact a couple of years ago when he returned at one point lol).

Kofi, Truth and Cara are probably the worst guys in WWE right now. Ahead of Ryback. And even Khali. Khali has an excuse for being shit. He's over 7 foot tall and non athletic with fucked up knees. Yet his best match is > than any of their matches .
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