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Old 12-02-2012, 08:19 PM   #9801 (permalink)
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Cena has always been a very good talent but in terms of making people care about what he does 80% of the time he fails at that.
What? Cena is one of the few people on the roster people care about.
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What? Cena is one of the few people on the roster people care about.
If people really cared about what he was doing wouldn't WWE be a little more popular right now? Besides other then what he has done with CM Punk, The Rock, & Brock Lesnar Most of the time people just roll the eyes at what he's doing. I mean how many people cared about his feud with Kane, Big Johnny, Big Show or even the mess that is his feud with Ziggler right now?
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Cena was good in 2003 but a bit uncoordinated with his moveset, then he turned face and became a patterning "5 move" guy but the crowd ate it up in 2004. (his only memorable matches from that year are No Way Out, WM20 and the June match with Taker) His Smackdown TV matches were terrible in 05 but on PPV, he delivered most of that year and got better after working with actually good workers like Jericho & Angle instead of Orlando Jordan. But yeah, he only became great in 06-07.

SummerSlam 2005:

Orlando Jordan vs Chris Benoit - N/A
- Can't rate this one for obvious reasons. The match consists of a punch by Jordan, a German Suplex by Benoit followed by the Crossface and it lasts 25 seconds! But it is awesome in its own way because the crowd is hot for the short amount of time it lasts and Benoit finally gets the US Championship!

Edge vs Matt Hardy - **1/2
- In under 5 minutes, it doesn't really manage to do much. Despite the interesting background storyline that is surrounded by real life drama, the match doesn't last enough to display the hatred they have for each other. They do hit each other with stiff punches and kicks but it ends way too fast. Matt's face hits the ringpost and after taking a few stiff punches and kicks, the match results in a no contest victory for Edge. I guess their Unforgiven match will be the one to truly deliver so I'm eagerly waiting to get there.

Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero - ***1/2
- Fuck, this custody of Dominick storyline is fucking stupid but as a match, this one is good. The ladder is put to great use throughout the match and rather than focus on mat wrestling, they go all out with memorable spots and innovative use of the ladder. Although there's focus on the family business with Vickie and Dominick both getting involved at one point or another, the wrestlers do a great job when it's about them. Several remarkable moments such as the Back Drop on the ladder leaning on the vertical one and Eddie doing his Slingshot Somersault onto a sandwiched Rey between two ladders. I also noticed the DVD version I watched has silenced Eddie's little rage when Vickie forgets to come out in time. Rey unhooks the briefcase to retain the custody of his son and I hope this terrible storyline is over before they close this feud inside a steel cage a few weeks after.

Kurt Angle vs Eugene - ***
- Pretty entertaining for the short amount of time it gets. Angle destroys Eugene which is all I ask for, Eugene gets booed and also hits a few "nostalgic" moves from his "heroes". Just a little fun match.

Randy Orton vs The Undertaker - ****
- I was sleeping on this one for quite a while. On this watch, I am not sure if I prefer it to their Wrestlemania match or not which says a lot. They get plenty of time and both men do an excellent job wrestling a well paced match with all their signature spots hit. Orton gets the victory after his father poses as a fan and distracts Undertaker. Taker also does a great job selling the leg injury which Orton worked on throughout the match. Just a damn good match and the perfect follow-up for Orton's SummerSlam career after the classic from 2004 with Benoit. And while I'm here, I gotta say that I like the way Taker sells the RKO with the jumping. It makes the move look a lot cooler.

John Cena vs Chris Jericho - ****
- Not as good as I previously remember it being but still great. The problem is the first half is pretty slow but after Cena hits that Diving Legdrop on Jericho as he's entering the ring, things get rolling. An extremely hot crowd with the dual chants ("Let's go Cena/Let's go Jericho") and it looks like both men are even more motivated to speed it up after that. After escaping the Walls, Cena gets Jericho up for a body slam that he turns into a FU for the win. This is the first time Cena started getting prominently booed by a section of the crowd although in here, it's more of Jericho-favoritism than Cena hate. And I can't blame fans for rooting for Jericho after that awesome backstage promo he cut earlier in the PPV. But I have to add that I didn't like the involvement of Bischoff in this storyline all that much. It felt so forced with them making Cena look like some kind of one-man army which didn't help him with the hardcore fans.

Batista vs JBL - ***
- A lot better than their Great American Bash match for sure. This is just under 10 minutes and with the No DQ stipulation, they get to go a bit more all out. A lot more exciting and the hometown crowd is hot for Batista. They make it work for the amount of time they get just fine and the Powerbomb on the steel steps was a good way to end this.

Hulk Hogan vs Shawn Michaels - ***1/4
- Shawn totally carried this. In the build-up, Hogan was too busy with his reality show while HBK cut those awesome promos, specially the one in Montreal and the Larry King mockery segment and in the ring, he does the same thing. Hogan is limited, slow and sticks to playing it safe for understandable reasons while HBK does all the hard work and also oversells the moves as revenge to Hogan pussying out of a rematch where HBK would win to make it even between them. The overselling makes the match a lot more entertaining, though. But I don't know why there was two ref bumps. A Bret Hart return was heavily teased with how much HBK talked about him the week before this show and him putting the Sharpshooter on Hogan after a "We Want Bret" chant but nothing came out of it. HBK hits a bloody Hogan with a chair as well as the Sweet Chin Music, but Hogan still hulks up and hits his predictable "moves of doom" for the victory. Average ending to a great PPV.

Overall: ***3/4 out of ***** (One hell of a PPV without a single terrible match. Two great ones in the middle of the card, others are fun stuff while the lower rated matches are fun. I also have to say the star power is strong for this PPV despite the lack of Triple H. Just look at the list of legends in it. Benoit, Eddie, Mysterio, Orton, Undertaker, Edge, Cena, Jericho, Hogan, HBK, Angle, Batista... and nowadays, WWE doesn't have 1/10th of this.)
My first PPV I ever ordered as a kid Loved every minute of it.
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Never liked Cena and never will. He's a good worker though.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:09 PM   #9805 (permalink)
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I ordered Summerslam 2005 on PPV as well with a few friends. When the show came on air, Benoit was already the United States champion and the crowd was going nuts, thought I could have potentially missed a **** match ........ Wanted Eddie to beat Rey SO SO SO badly it was insane. Me and my friends were split on Hogan/HBK , as a few of us (including myself) thought of Hogan to be the GOD of wrestling

.... On a side note, I've been trying to put together a big BROCK package for Christmas , so I got my parents to pick me up his book and I've also ordered a few shirts online. Anybody know where I can get my hands on a Lesnar autograph for 50 bucks or so to complete my collection ? Going to have a designated place in my room to hang my big Summerslam 2012 poster with my (hopeful) Lesnar autograph next to it. Looking to get some Orton, Bret, Punk, and Piper posters too so I can have a nice autograph collection in my room. Already got it done with Hogan right over my bed :hogan
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John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels
RAW 1/12/2009

Whenever I see ‘John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels’ I get pretty fuckin excited. To my knowledge they’ve only had 4 singles matches together. The only one I haven’t seen yet was just two weeks after this one. The driving factor here is Shawn’s IMMENSE character work. Instantly from the entrance he comes off so angry, so bitter at being aligned with JBL. That carries on throughout the whole match and ultimately reflected the way he wrestled.

The first half of the match had some great storytelling as Cena used his size and strength to his advantage but could never give Shawn any space, because when he did he lost every time. Of all things Michaels would get the advantage and go straight to a submission (Figure 4 & Crossface). Another sample of how Michaels’ mentality had seemingly changed due to his attitude towards JBL. Cena eventually realizes what’s going on and goes the smart route and locks in a bear hug. This was on RAW but the pacing made it feel like a big time PPV main event, building and building with every move.

The ladder half of the match is where it gets exciting. Having wrestled each other before, they countered their signature moves several times and eventually hit their finishers, but were too exhausted to get the cover in time to pull out a win. Cena locks in the STFU and the look of pure desperation on JBL’s face is fantastic as he slowly tried to edge the bottom rope towards Michaels. Once Michaels grabbed it the anger just radiated off him, as if he was saying “FUCK YOU LAYFIELD, I DON’T NEED YOUR HELP!” The finish is so sudden and so awesome the camera hardly even caught it. The way Shawn walks out without saying or doing anything makes him look like such a badass. Incredible match.

**** 1/4
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Yeah, true. Such a shitty match, all that AJ Lee stuff made me puke, tbh. It looked like a bad, pretentious Spielberg movie. Rating: * (and I'm being generous)

Their OTL match fucking ruled, though.


but that average ladder match from Hardcore Justice this year was **** worthy? I call shenanigans!

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I saw Stephanie/Vince from No Mercy 03 getting some love a few pages back and I couldn't agree more...as weird as it sounds lol. The storytelling is actually off the charts awesome and the Stephanie comeback sequences are ridiculously good. Crowd are well into it and Cole/Tazz are great. Fantastically fun little match imo. It's all based on emotion and a great example of David vs. Goliath. Good stuff.


I love it. Funny when I pimped it out to my brother b/c he claimed he has a hard time watching it due to it being a father beating up his daughter.

Never knew he had such a sensitive heart. That match is awesome.

Summerslam 2005 is pretty boss overall. Cena vs Jericho stole the show for me.

Finished Survivor Series 2009 & Summerslam 1999 tonight. Maybe I'll do a review in a bit. Or tomorrow. Good shows. I liked Summerslam more. The overall more consistent PPV. It HAS to be the strongest PPV of '99. Easily.
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but that average ladder match from Hardcore Justice this year was **** worthy? I call shenanigans!
All this Xmas joy is hurting your brains, nothing from HJ hit the **** mark.
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If people really cared about what he was doing wouldn't WWE be a little more popular right now? Besides other then what he has done with CM Punk, The Rock, & Brock Lesnar Most of the time people just roll the eyes at what he's doing. I mean how many people cared about his feud with Kane, Big Johnny, Big Show or even the mess that is his feud with Ziggler right now?
You seem to be confusing smarks with casual fans.
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I watched Survivor Series 2003 and I don't know why people crap on this show. To me match quality isn't the only important aspect of a ppv. With the exception of the tag team title match which wasn't that bad, every match either was good to great and/or had the right people winning. The Cuban segment didn't drag. This show also set up 2 Mania XX matches with Brock/Goldberg and Kame/Taker. Overall 7/10; it was entertaining throughout and didn't feel like a waste of time(unlike current WWE shows).
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