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Documentary is under an hour long, so everyone is disappointed with that. Hardly anything censored though which is good. All depends on how much you are interested in the match listings as to whether or not you should get it tbh.
Based on what's on each disc, I think disc 1 is only thing I'm interested in(which I think is just documentary). Which I can prob find online somewhere

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Just watched Bobby Lashley vs John Cena GAB 2007 for the first time and holy crap that match was BEAST!

Cena really proved himself during his '06-'07 reign. It's just so unfortunate that instead of the getting the recognition he truly deserved, it's the years when hating Cena became the popular thing to do. Seriously, which other wrestler had the work ethic like John Cena did back in 2007? Talk about the main guy. The guy to get the job done. The guy that never disappointed. The guy who freaking delivered PPV after PPV yet for some reason wrestling fans saw it as a reason to boo?

Cena is by far the best damn worker in the company. Yes most would say Punk or Bryan but when it comes to psychology Cena has them beat by far. The edge Cena has over everyone on the WWE roster is his timing. He just knows when to do things. He just knows when it's the right moment to leg trip a guy for the STF, go in for AA. Cena is just an incredible worker and this match is just another example of it. Definitely one of the most underrated/under appreciated wrestler amongst the IWC.

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Just watched Bobby Lashley vs John Cena GAB 2007 for the first time and holy crap that match was BEAST!

Cena really proved himself during his '06-'07 reign. It's just so unfortunate that instead of the getting the recognition he truly deserved, it's the years when hating Cena became the popular thing to do. Seriously, which other wrestler had the work ethic like John Cena did back in 2007? Talk about the main guy. The guy to get the job done. The guy that never disappointed. The guy who freaking delivered PPV after PPV yet for some reason wrestling fans saw it as a reason to boo?

Cena is by far the best damn worker in the company. Yes most would say Punk or Bryan but when it comes to psychology Cena has them beat by far. The edge Cena has over everyone on the WWE roster is his timing. He just knows when to do things. He just knows when it's the right moment to leg trip a guy for the STF, go in for AA. Cena is just an incredible worker and this match is just another example of it. Definitely one of the most underrated/under appreciated wrestler amongst the IWC.
Well said. But again... ITZ ALL ABT MOVEZZ!!!!!!1111!!1

Vince officially burned the bridges between Cena and the smarks when he continued to push him as hard as before when they started booing so since then, he's become the public enemy #1 with the hardcore fans. Although I must say that the hate has been toned down in the last couple of years and some are starting to recognize what a talent he truly is.
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Cena not being a good wrestler (which is obviously untrue...) hasn't got *that* much to do with it, I think. It's mostly the fact they find him outright annoying, which is something I understand. Honestly I never want to see Cena pick up a microphone because I don't like his promos and never have.

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Cena proved himself the big PPV matches as he usually does these last several years. The problem is the other weeks of TV where he is either very boring or frustrating to watch. As a TV viewer and WWE I feel he deserve the criticism for the crap every week (yes I understand booking/McMahon have a hand in it too) just as much as matches like he's had with Michaels, Lesnar, Umaga, Punk, etc. That's just my opinion, though.


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Well said. But again... ITZ ALL ABT MOVEZZ!!!!!!1111!!1

Vince officially burned the bridges between Cena and the smarks when he continued to push him as hard as before when they started booing so since then, he's become the public enemy #1 with the hardcore fans. Although I must say that the hate has been toned down in the last couple of years and some are starting to recognize what a talent he truly is.
Cena has always been a very good talent but in terms of making people care about what he does 80% of the time he fails at that.



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Cena's booking is what makes people hate him and I completely understand, even as a huge mark for the guy. Holy fuck it just gets so redundant that even I get sick of him some times. He wasn't really any good in the ring until 06/07 though. That much I accept. But he more than proved himself during that time and for anybody to say he can't work now is a joke truth be told. Put John Cena in a big match situation and 9 times out of 10 he will deliver. While the hate has died down in recent years, I still think he's criminally underrated by a lot of folks, mostly idiotic haters who still think HE CNT WRASSLE DURR. Other people simply don't like him, including some folks who post in here and that's perfectly fine because there is sound reasoning behind it. I swear if that heel turn ever happens this place and every smark alive will be all over his dick and proclaiming him the best thing ever. Watch it happen lol. Bunch of bandwagoners.

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I got to respectfully disagree with Starbuck, I enjoyed Cena's matches in 2003, Namely Taker @Vengeance and Angle @No Mercy. Had a decent 2004 then bounced back in 05 with Angle @NWO and JBL @Judgment Day. I can't really recall a moment that Cena was just outright horrid in the ring, even in 06 and 08 where I was most critical of his booking.
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He wasn't atrocious or anything and he did have the odd gem from 03-05. I meant that he didn't hit his stride and start pulling out great matches every month until around 06/07, funnily enough, when his character started going to shit lol.

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Cena was good in 2003 but a bit uncoordinated with his moveset, then he turned face and became a patterning "5 move" guy but the crowd ate it up in 2004. (his only memorable matches from that year are No Way Out, WM20 and the June match with Taker) His Smackdown TV matches were terrible in 05 but on PPV, he delivered most of that year and got better after working with actually good workers like Jericho & Angle instead of Orlando Jordan. But yeah, he only became great in 06-07.

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Orlando Jordan vs Chris Benoit - N/A
- Can't rate this one for obvious reasons. The match consists of a punch by Jordan, a German Suplex by Benoit followed by the Crossface and it lasts 25 seconds! But it is awesome in its own way because the crowd is hot for the short amount of time it lasts and Benoit finally gets the US Championship!

Edge vs Matt Hardy - **1/2
- In under 5 minutes, it doesn't really manage to do much. Despite the interesting background storyline that is surrounded by real life drama, the match doesn't last enough to display the hatred they have for each other. They do hit each other with stiff punches and kicks but it ends way too fast. Matt's face hits the ringpost and after taking a few stiff punches and kicks, the match results in a no contest victory for Edge. I guess their Unforgiven match will be the one to truly deliver so I'm eagerly waiting to get there.

Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero - ***1/2
- Fuck, this custody of Dominick storyline is fucking stupid but as a match, this one is good. The ladder is put to great use throughout the match and rather than focus on mat wrestling, they go all out with memorable spots and innovative use of the ladder. Although there's focus on the family business with Vickie and Dominick both getting involved at one point or another, the wrestlers do a great job when it's about them. Several remarkable moments such as the Back Drop on the ladder leaning on the vertical one and Eddie doing his Slingshot Somersault onto a sandwiched Rey between two ladders. I also noticed the DVD version I watched has silenced Eddie's little rage when Vickie forgets to come out in time. Rey unhooks the briefcase to retain the custody of his son and I hope this terrible storyline is over before they close this feud inside a steel cage a few weeks after.

Kurt Angle vs Eugene - ***
- Pretty entertaining for the short amount of time it gets. Angle destroys Eugene which is all I ask for, Eugene gets booed and also hits a few "nostalgic" moves from his "heroes". Just a little fun match.

Randy Orton vs The Undertaker - ****
- I was sleeping on this one for quite a while. On this watch, I am not sure if I prefer it to their Wrestlemania match or not which says a lot. They get plenty of time and both men do an excellent job wrestling a well paced match with all their signature spots hit. Orton gets the victory after his father poses as a fan and distracts Undertaker. Taker also does a great job selling the leg injury which Orton worked on throughout the match. Just a damn good match and the perfect follow-up for Orton's SummerSlam career after the classic from 2004 with Benoit. And while I'm here, I gotta say that I like the way Taker sells the RKO with the jumping. It makes the move look a lot cooler.

John Cena vs Chris Jericho - ****
- Not as good as I previously remember it being but still great. The problem is the first half is pretty slow but after Cena hits that Diving Legdrop on Jericho as he's entering the ring, things get rolling. An extremely hot crowd with the dual chants ("Let's go Cena/Let's go Jericho") and it looks like both men are even more motivated to speed it up after that. After escaping the Walls, Cena gets Jericho up for a body slam that he turns into a FU for the win. This is the first time Cena started getting prominently booed by a section of the crowd although in here, it's more of Jericho-favoritism than Cena hate. And I can't blame fans for rooting for Jericho after that awesome backstage promo he cut earlier in the PPV. But I have to add that I didn't like the involvement of Bischoff in this storyline all that much. It felt so forced with them making Cena look like some kind of one-man army which didn't help him with the hardcore fans.

Batista vs JBL - ***
- A lot better than their Great American Bash match for sure. This is just under 10 minutes and with the No DQ stipulation, they get to go a bit more all out. A lot more exciting and the hometown crowd is hot for Batista. They make it work for the amount of time they get just fine and the Powerbomb on the steel steps was a good way to end this.

Hulk Hogan vs Shawn Michaels - ***1/4
- Shawn totally carried this. In the build-up, Hogan was too busy with his reality show while HBK cut those awesome promos, specially the one in Montreal and the Larry King mockery segment and in the ring, he does the same thing. Hogan is limited, slow and sticks to playing it safe for understandable reasons while HBK does all the hard work and also oversells the moves as revenge to Hogan pussying out of a rematch where HBK would win to make it even between them. The overselling makes the match a lot more entertaining, though. But I don't know why there was two ref bumps. A Bret Hart return was heavily teased with how much HBK talked about him the week before this show and him putting the Sharpshooter on Hogan after a "We Want Bret" chant but nothing came out of it. HBK hits a bloody Hogan with a chair as well as the Sweet Chin Music, but Hogan still hulks up and hits his predictable "moves of doom" for the victory. Average ending to a great PPV.

Overall: ***3/4 out of ***** (One hell of a PPV without a single terrible match. Two great ones in the middle of the card, others are fun stuff while the lower rated matches are fun. I also have to say the star power is strong for this PPV despite the lack of Triple H. Just look at the list of legends in it. Benoit, Eddie, Mysterio, Orton, Undertaker, Edge, Cena, Jericho, Hogan, HBK, Angle, Batista... and nowadays, WWE doesn't have 1/10th of this.)
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