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Old 11-30-2012, 10:15 PM   #9671 (permalink)
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Probably John-Boy. He'd be my second pick behind Jericho.

Agree with your thoughts on the match #PHG. It's good. Has it's moments to hold it up. Not great or "omg wow" level of a main event. A fitting end to the PPV nonetheless.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:18 PM   #9672 (permalink)
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Jericho and Edge are 1 and 2. Cena's not as terrible as some people may believe, but that doesn't make him great either. Certainly not up there with the likes of Jericho.
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He's pretty great, actually.
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Every WM match of his that is considered good, and there isn't that many of them, is with a guy who is better than him. Not a coincidence. Alot of his matches that he is considered better than (Miz, Rock who wrestled once in 8 years) were bad. Not a coincidence.
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Best worker in the match ?

Honestly, if I were to rank those six in terms of all-around greatness, I'd rank them like this ;

CENA > JERICHO >> ORTON > EDGE >>> SHEAMUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrett

I have two CENA matches in my top 10 of all time the last time I checked. That's all I really need to say
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Cena isn't as good of a worker as Jericho. Go back and watch Jericho's 90's work in Japan, Germany, WCW, and WWF. Cena was never that good. Jericho can carry alot of guys to a good match, too.
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Trust me, I've seen a TON of Jericho in my life and although I feel he's an all-time great for sure, I've always felt as if he was overrated by the masses for some reason. I feel out of the WCW vanilla midgets crop (made me laugh for some reason) , he was well below the likes of Mysterio, Guerrero, and especially Benoit. NOBODY ELSE feels like this and it's just a "me" thing.

I have Cena as a top five WWE worker since 2000 if I last checked correctly. 10th all time on my list currently I do believe
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Every WM match of his that is considered good, and there isn't that many of them, is with a guy who is better than him. Not a coincidence. Alot of his matches that he is considered better than (Miz, Rock who wrestled once in 8 years) were bad. Not a coincidence.
I'd take his work over Triple H & Batista any day so yeah this point is wrong. I'd put him above Orton too. Probably Big Show & Edge as well. Although they're close. Can say I'd take his singles work over Shawn Michaels too when I really think about it. (can't wait to see the reaction that gets)
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Cena's definitely the best guy in that match career v career. Honestly I think he's trumped Jericho at this point and I actually like Jericho more than Cena. The Jericho that I saw in 2010 kind of sucked and didn't look as good Sheamus or Orton back then either. I'm actually not sure I'd take Jericho over Orton career v career. I'm also not sure I'd even take Edge over Sheamus career v career. Wade Barrett isn't as good Balls Mahoney so whateverthefuck. No idea why I posted this.

EDIT- Jericho was not that good at all in Japan or Mexico. He needed others to carry him.
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I'd take his work over Triple H & Batista any day so yeah this point is wrong. I'd put him above Orton too. Probably Big Show & Edge as well. Although they're close. Can say I'd take his singles work over Shawn Michaels too when I really think about it. (can't wait to see the reaction that gets)
Pretty sure Cactus is smiling as he reads that

The whole Shawn/Cena debate in my eyes is a little hard to gauge. I like Shawn's 90s run over Cena in general , but from 2002-2010 it gets a little cloudy for me. I think I'd have Cena over Shawn IF Shawn didn't have that series with The Undertaker that was leaps and bounds above anything else I've seen as a wrestling fan.

On a side note, I don't really attribute the greatness of the HBK-Taker matches to either of them , as I believe that they were just two workers who were MADE for each other. So it kind of works like this for me...

Post 2002 :

Shawn's Matches > Cena's Matches
Cena's Mic Work >>> Shawn's Mic Work
Cena's Performances IN his matches > Shawn's performances

VERY controversial (as I sit here and watch my HOF 2004 DVD)
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