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I see appeal with Big Show vs Ryback. Henry vs Ryback would work for me. Only if Henry wasn't squashed.
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The Great American Bash 2005:

MNM vs Road Warrior Animal/Heidenreich - **1/2
- Heidenreich being paired with Animal to recreate the LOD was rather random. They win the tag titles here in some kind of tribute to Hawk two years after his death. The match is nothing special and shorter than the tag title defenses tend to be. The Doomsday Device looked great here.

Booker T vs Christian - ***1/4
- Not a bad match but nothing great either. Just decent and it's kinda there. Have no idea why Christian was never put to better use as he gets cheered here despite being the heel. Booker gets his return victory here after getting squashed two weeks before the PPV.

Orlando Jordan vs Chris Benoit - ***
- Nothing memorable and nothing bad once again. Benoit jobs after walking into the exposed turnbuckle but he does his best to carry this into passable. At least they have a real match here as opposed to the 25 second follow-ups from SummerSlam onwards.

The Undertaker vs Muhammad Hassan - ***1/4
- This one was kinda funny to me. All the "sympathizers" constantly running around the ring crack me up (hell, I'm laughing as I type this) with the best part being Undertaker's face when he's being choked out by that wire behind referee's back. But looking away from that, the match itself is decent and Muhammad doesn't look overly weak even though a chokeslam is all it takes to pin him. Then post-match, Undertaker goes into superman mode and destroys all the "sympathizers" () by himself and officially kills Muhammad Hassan's character with a Last Ride through the stage. The end result is bittersweet. On one hand, Orton restarts the Taker feud while on the other one, Muhammad's character officially ends here which sucks because he had so much potential. The introduction of these skimask guys was so unnecessary. Character was going places but they ruined it with that segment where they turned him into a terrorist after months of complaining about being wrongly labeled just that because of his background.

The Mexicools vs bWo - **
- I don't know what to think of this. Very short and uninteresting. I can't take the bWo seriously as a cheap nWo knock-off but I also like the Mexicools from what little I see here. Although I've heard that this is far from the best they have to offer as wrestlers and WWE limited them.

Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero - ***1/4
- I'm disappointed because as soon as family was brought into this and the whole "secret", it ruined a pretty good feud and turned it into stupid drama. As result of this, the match suffers because the camera and Eddie are more concerned about Dominick than the match itself. The ring action is good as you've come to expect from these two but the story is hard to get into and distracting because it disrupts the flow of the match constantly. Still above average as a match but the Judgment Day and Smackdown matches are far better.

Melina vs Torrie Wilson (Bra and Panties) - *
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Batista vs JBL - **1/4
- Ugh, what a boring match. It's just hard to get into because the speed is slow and it feels so half-assed. Even when there's drama following a ref bump, I really couldn't get excited about this match at all. Disappointing main event and another DQ victory so I can watch the Smackdown episodes to hear JBL run his mouth for 10 minutes just to say one thing. People always pick on Triple H for rambling non-stop just to get one point across but JBL is almost as bad. He just keeps saying the same thing and EVERY FUCKING WEEK, he gets about 10 minutes of promo time or some lengthy backstage segment. FFS, keep him away from a microphone just once. He's not bad by a long shot, but he bores me because he always says the same thing, but not only that - he takes several minutes to get a simple point across.

Overall: **1/2 out of ***** (A mixed bag. Some stuff are good while others are bad. Nothing extraordinary from the match card and it feels like a mere story advancer for SummerSlam outside of the Taker/Hassan match.)
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X2 if Ryback Henry lasted 2 minutes with generic Ryback offense + Signature moves + finisher I would be pretty pissed. If they let Henry throw Ryback around for a little bit, show us that Ryback is indeed human , could make for a potentially good story. I'm pretty convinced we'll get Ryback-Show at some point in the next year for sure.

It just seems as if Ryback is being groomed to be the #2-3 guy in the company for the future, and I'm not sure if that's such a wise decision at this point TBH. I'm a believer in the idea that all big names and world champions should be atleast above average workers. That's why I can't stand the likes of MIZ and KHALI winning world titles at some point (well... Miz... The WHC isn't as important anymore, but it's definitely restorable).
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1999 is definitely the worst in-ring year in WWE history.

I don't see why Khali > Ryback is funny or unreasonable at all. I really don't see what makes Ryback so much better. Both are awful so it's not worth putting too much thought into, but I'm drawing a blank at anything Ryback actually does terribly well. He's all right in squashes I guess. But the HIAC match with Punk sucked shit and that was still a Punk carry. The three-way at Series sucked shit as well. People were going on about these good 'actual' Ryback matches in the Ryback v Goldberg thread that I might have missed so if anyone has any then BRING 'EM OUT.
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The Great American Bash 2005:

Orlando Jordan vs Chris Benoit - ***
- Nothing memorable and nothing bad once again. Benoit jobs after walking into the exposed turnbuckle but he does his best to carry this into passable. At least they have a real match here as opposed to the 25 second follow-ups from SummerSlam onwards.

The Mexicools vs bWo - **
- I don't know what to think of this. Very short and uninteresting. I can't take the bWo seriously as a cheap nWo knock-off but I also like the Mexicools from what little I see here. Although I've heard that this is far from the best they have to offer as wrestlers and WWE limited them.

Batista vs JBL - **1/4
- Ugh, what a boring match. It's just hard to get into because the speed is slow and it feels so half-assed. Even when there's drama following a ref bump, I really couldn't get excited about this match at all. Disappointing main event and another DQ victory so I can watch the Smackdown episodes to hear JBL run his mouth for 10 minutes just to say one thing. People always pick on Triple H for rambling non-stop just to get one point across but JBL is almost as bad. He just keeps saying the same thing and EVERY FUCKING WEEK, he gets about 10 minutes of promo time or some lengthy backstage segment. FFS, keep him away from a microphone just once. He's not bad by a long shot, but he bores me because he always says the same thing, but not only that - he takes several minutes to get a simple point across.

Overall: **1/2 out of ***** (A mixed bag. Some stuff are good while others are bad. Nothing extraordinary from the match card and it feels like a mere story advancer for SummerSlam outside of the Taker/Hassan match.)
Best Orlando Jordan match ever.

Not familar with the bWo from the ECW days, eh? Yeah, no doubt that match could have been better if it had longer than 5 minutes.

Main event is a flat out DUD. One of the worst matches I've ever seen be chosen to end a PPV.

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X2 if Ryback Henry lasted 2 minutes with generic Ryback offense + Signature moves + finisher I would be pretty pissed. If they let Henry throw Ryback around for a little bit, show us that Ryback is indeed human , could make for a potentially good story. I'm pretty convinced we'll get Ryback-Show at some point in the next year for sure.

It just seems as if Ryback is being groomed to be the #2-3 guy in the company for the future, and I'm not sure if that's such a wise decision at this point TBH. I'm a believer in the idea that all big names and world champions should be atleast above average workers. That's why I can't stand the likes of MIZ and KHALI winning world titles at some point (well... Miz... The WHC isn't as important anymore, but it's definitely restorable).
Well, the whole Goldberg comparison is on point. You might not feel he's a good fit for being groomed like he is, but the company does seeing how he's over and can possibly sell merch. Much like Goldberg during his prime in WCW.

Speaking of 1999 WWF being weak in the ring - all you have to say is Survivor Series '99. Far and away the worst of the year. How many shite matches can be piled onto a single show? Watch that event and you'll get your answer.
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I don't see why Khali > Ryback is funny or unreasonable at all. I really don't see what makes Ryback so much better. Both are awful so it's not worth putting too much thought into, but I'm drawing a blank at anything Ryback actually does terribly well. He's all right in squashes I guess. But the HIAC match with Punk sucked shit and that was still a Punk carry. The three-way at Series sucked shit as well. People were going on about these good 'actual' Ryback matches in the Ryback v Goldberg thread that I might have missed so if anyone has any then BRING 'EM OUT.
He doesn't have any. He just looks somewhat impressive running through people. I guess that's a great function for his character and his ability. You won't get a mat classic out of him but he was never built for that. There of course have been big guys who upped their game in the in-ring department to become good main event workers i.e. Undertaker, Batista, Show, and Henry. Only time will tell if Ryback can adjust in that way.
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Survivor Series 98 was worse IMO. One of the worst PPVS ever actually , what a pile of shit from start to finish

GAB 2005 is a underrated show for me actually. Eddie and Rey go out there and steal the show , well..... Actually it's only Eddie. If you were going to show me ONE heel-Eddie match that shows exactly EVERYTHING that his character is about, I might go with that one. All around fantastic and although it's a step below JD and SD 05 , it's a COLOSSAL step up from SS and WM. Benoit-Jordan is great just to see Benoit drag a pretty good match out of a piece of trash like Jordan. Batista-JBL is definitely salvageable for them , and I loved the blow-off match at SS 05 as a personal favorite for some reason. Short, but intense and a hell of alot of fun for sure.

Don't worry, I still stand on the fact that Ryback is the worst main event wrestler I've seen in my life , although I'm hoping that might change in the forseeable future. I honestly can't talk about Ryback anymore as it makes me brain hurt why he's gotten three PPV main events in a row, so I'm going to switch the subject. Ordered every single Wrestlemania (that I don't have... so like almost all of them, including the complete anthology) and about 10-15 other DVDs for Christmas, plus when I get home on Friday I have a backload of DVDs to watch that include the following ;

- Finishing the BAD Top 50 Finishers DVD
- NWO : The Revolution (looking forward to literally one match)
- RVD : One of a Kind (Excited)
- The Triumph and Tragedy of WCCW (Excited)
- Legends of Wrestling : Jerry Lawler and Junkyard Dog (have no idea about this)
- Hall of Fame 2004
- ECW Unreleased Vol 1
- The Road Warriors
- Superstar Collection : Shawn Michaels

Should hold me over till Christmas :hhh
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GAB '05 is merely "there" for me. I liked Eddie's work, the Benoit/Jordan match & Undertaker killing terrorists. That's really about it. Rest blends together or , in the case of the main event, is horrendous. Summerslam '05 rematch with Batista/JBL is fun and a far better attempt by both men. Then, they have the 3rd and final match on Smackdown, Texas Bullrope, which sucked hard too. The shorter the matches - the better. No Mercy '08 is part of that.

Love that RVD set. That's how I saw RVD vs Lynn from Living Dangerous '99.

Thinking of popping in a WWE PPV atm. Any suggestions on what I should go with from the list:

Royal Rumble 2006
No Way Out 2006
Cyber Sunday 2006
Night of Champions 2009
Vengeance 2011

Have a feeling NWO '06 might be the favorite here.
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No Way Out 2006 is the best of the bunch BUT I would recommend the Rumble for the simple reason that it's almost rumble season and the show is just insanely fun regardless with Trips and Rey putting together a great performance for an hour straight. The backstage segments are completely golden as well.

Plus you get to see HENRY-ANGLE with the awesome Undertaker on a white horse ending
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I haven't watched it since the night it aired on PPV. I can see if Henry/Angle is as bad as I remember it being. Plus, with me being the Gregory Helms fans that I am, I can mark out all over again to him winning the Cruiserweight Championship.

One vote for Rumble. (idk when I'll choose to watch. Probably following this episode of Arrested Development. yay for random info)
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