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#18,601 ·
Punk looks strong as ever now. I guess they didn't want to make him look like a little bitch for when he has to take on THE UNDERTAKER and the fucking STREAK. The only question is how the fuck does this all work ? Does Taker ask for the match, or does Punk ask for it ? You would have to assume that Taker asks for it since I expect a rant about how he's still champion and how he pinned the Rock and stuff like that.

The only thing is ; the story does NOT seem like Punk is headed for The Streak at all, and it actually seems like they're heading for either a Triple Threat or Brock-Punk. The only reason I'm assuming we're getting the EPIC streak match is because the dirtsheets told me so :lol .

All three matches would be amazing for different reasons IMO ; Triple Threat because PUNK gets his Mania main event, Brock-Punk because it's two of my three all time favorites going at it and it's completely original unlike Brock-HHH, and Punk-Taker because it has the highest potential of the three to be MOTN and subsequently MOTY.
 
#18,602 ·
I had one major problem with Rock/Punk last night. This may seem like nitpicking and it may not mean to shit to most people but when The Rock got into the ring after going through the table to end the 10 count, CM Punk turned around way too fast. Yeah, I know, over-exaggerating right?

But it's those little things that piss me off. I'm all for getting the most out of nothing in pro wrestling. Punk's back was turned to The Rock, therefore he should have been unaware of Rock entering. So what he should have done was sit there and take it all in, big grin on his face, thinking he's all won then bam! He realizes the crowd is suddenly cheering so he's all confused and turns around and surprised to see what awaits him. But to just spin around like that and attack him, just lacks drama. You know? It lacks any sort of emotion.

Again, to most this is nitpicking. But shit, like I said, it's cool to get a reaction from jumping off a ladder. It's impressive to get a reaction from just pulling down a strap on your singlet.

It's moments like that that make question's Punk's ability as a worker. As a matter of fact, I don't think much of him as a worker tbh. I mean sometimes he can be great, other times he's questionable. I have Punk nowhere in a top 10. Top 10 promo guys, maybe. Workers? Hell no. Then again a lot of guys who I am huge fans of I'll put nowhere in a top 10. Jericho, for example, is a guy who I'm a huge fan of but he's nowhere in atop 10 of mine or 20.
 
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I don't really understand that. The ref stopped the count and the bell would have rang had Rock not made the count, not sure how Punk could sit there oblivious to the fact the bell hadn't sounded with the crowd cheering Rock making the count and not look like the biggest idiot in the world. Plus Punk is arguably the only guy working at the moment who likes to add the little details into matches. Bryan is another but he's currently stuck in a comedy character rut which limits his work. Punk's about as good a guy as WWE have in terms of adding little touches and doing simple things others probably wouldn't think to do. Even things last night like pulling the tights of Rock to maintain a hold and stop him breaking free, and blowing a kiss to Rock's mom seconds before he was met by the first Rock Bottom. Then you have the way he worked his knee injury into the match at the Rumble, selling it after a dropkick off the ropes without any reason to do so other than to work fans into thinking the bum kneee might have given out on him.

Punk isn't 'amazing' as a worker. But he's very good and has a clear old school appreciation and approach to his work and craft. You can tell this is a man who wants to add unique touches and make subtle moments matter in the greater context. Execution can be sloppy and he needs to stop overestimating his athleticism, but he has enough structure and sense in mapping out a coherent match to overcome some issues of execution.

There are times when gaps in logic are present, but I don't see how Punk immediately registering Rock had made the count counts as one.
 
#18,604 ·
Punk has worked with either Ryback or Rock for his last FOUR PPV matches, and even managed to drag an almost **** match out of Ryback at the beginning of the year. I'd EASILY put Punk as a top two worker in the company right now with Daniel Bryan who I don't think gets a fair shake due to booking putting him in strictly tag scenarios most of the time. Over the last two years though, I don't think anybody in the company even comes CLOSE to the work Punk has put in show in and show out.

Sure, Cena may have had the MOTY in 2012 but I'd attribute a ton of that to BROCK having the GOAT heel control segment in that Extreme Rules match. I would easily without a shadow of a doubt say Punk is the best all around talent in the WWE right now by a fair margin due to Bryan not getting a chance to shine properly, Cena having a god awful character that has been overdone way too many times, and.... Yeah that's about it.

When it comes to In ring work/Mic work combined, there's Punk in one stratosphere and everybody else in the other IMO. Bryan, Cena, Sheamus, Jericho, and Henry could be right there soon enough if some aspects of their game get stepped up real soon, and it's only a matter of time before Bryan is a singles worker again and the probable BEST IN THE COMPANY.
 
#18,606 ·
HHH asking the ref to not count them out or DQ them so they could fight is hardly the same as no holds barred. They didn't use any weapons...
Either way it was a No DQ match, No Holds Barred, whatever you want to call it.

The feud WAS completely underwhelming as whole, but I never mentioned the feud. I just said the match was good, which it was. It was stupid of them to have Lesnar go in a straight singles match (Yes, I know it was technically no-dq, but Lesnar isn't in his element until he can use weapons, or even HHH for that matter). If you went in thinking it was going to be a 5 star classic, then fuck yeah it was probably underwhelming. Re watch the match, I'll guarantee you'll like it the second time around like I did. You legit sound like I did before I rewatched that match.
I will save a re-watch for when I have literally NOTHING else to watch which won't be for... awhile. Fuck that match and fuck that show altogether.

Summerslam has been pure garbage ever since they've decided that LA is it's official home which it has been for the past 4 years. 2011 was the only decent show and that's only because of the main event.

Hopefully this year it'll be good with the rumoured Lesnar/Rock match. I would drive down to LA to see that one.
 
#18,607 ·
Here's an interesting question...

"Better worker" : Miz as WWE Champion in 2010/2011 , or Rock as WWE Champion in 2013 :lol :lol ?

What's sad is that I'm being 100 percent serious. The Miz matches against Jerry Lawler have been worth more to me from a work standpoint than Rock's entire reign probably will.
 
#18,612 ·
Oh gosh, I'm saying Punk should have sat for a good 5 minutes until he finally figured Rock's back in the ring but at least add a little drama to it, you know? The ref's counting Usually the refs take a little pause in between counts. So say, the ref reaches 8. Punk sits there expecting 9 but realizes there's no 9. The he turns around. He just spins around the moment the ref says 8.

Oh and I found Ryback/Punk TLC to be terrible. Extremely terrivle. But that was all Ryback being a complete doofus and no selling the leg work.

As for top workers in the company atm, oh yeah Punk is definitely there. I won't put Bryan there because right now his comedy gimmick doesn't really allow to work a style like a Punk or Cena and in terms of comedy wrestling I'd put Santino and Slater over him.

The top workers in the WWE right now for me are Punk, Cena, Show, Del Rio, Henry, Mysterio (for consistency) and believe it or not Damien Sandow. I think he's one of the best workers in the company but the recognition he gets on these boards is more for his character and mic work, than his actual in-ring work.
 
#18,613 ·
Miz got a good match out of Jerry Lawler, so him.
Try the reverse. Everything good in that match stemmed from Lawler's story and desire to finally achieve his dream. It was a simple, well worked match which didn't attempt to deviate from a basic structure to get the story across clearly. Lawler might be past his peak but he still knew even in 2011 how to put together a match that could be very good in spite of his age and limited ability compared to his peak.
 
#18,614 ·
This is just depressing. When was the last Championship Reign that went over 50 days that was worse than Rock's current reign in terms of terrible matches coupled with some of the most god awful main event promos we've ever seen :p ?
 
#18,615 ·
I recall Lawler/Miz TLC on RAW but not the EC match at all.

But come on, you can't compare Miz's reign to Rock's. Two completely different and horrible things. I would say though, Rock has Miz beat in one aspect when comparing their title reigns- $$$$$$$$$

I just want to know one thing. Why was Miz vs Cena so fucking horrible? Quite possibly one of the worst Wrestlemania main events in the last 20 years. I wouldn't even call a match like Orton/HHH terrible. It was just disappointing and shouldn't have been worked the way it was given the feud. But Cena/Miz was just...ahhhhhhhhhh!!!

It's strange considering that they had quite an exciting bout on RAW the night of Rock's Birthday.
 
#18,618 ·
Rock's title reign beats the Miz reign in terms of storylines because Punk - Rock feud beats any feud Miz had during his reign. Can't really judge the title reigns on matches though. Rock's match with Punk yesterday was good IMO but it's too early to say whether his reign is good or bad when it comes to matches because Rock still has that match with Cena.
 
#18,619 ·
Miz/Lawler's EC match I need to re-watch, but I don't remember it being that great. In the ***-***1/2, but I'd easily put the two Rock matches above it. Miz/Lawler TLC I had at a solid ***1/2. However Miz/Morrison, the first Raw of 2011 I believe, was Miz's best match of his title run imo. I have it above Rock/Punk rumble but not the EC match last night.
 
#18,620 ·
I had one major problem with Rock/Punk last night. This may seem like nitpicking and it may not mean to shit to most people but when The Rock got into the ring after going through the table to end the 10 count, CM Punk turned around way too fast. Yeah, I know, over-exaggerating right?

But it's those little things that piss me off. I'm all for getting the most out of nothing in pro wrestling. Punk's back was turned to The Rock, therefore he should have been unaware of Rock entering. So what he should have done was sit there and take it all in, big grin on his face, thinking he's all won then bam! He realizes the crowd is suddenly cheering so he's all confused and turns around and surprised to see what awaits him. But to just spin around like that and attack him, just lacks drama. You know? It lacks any sort of emotion.

Again, to most this is nitpicking. But shit, like I said, it's cool to get a reaction from jumping off a ladder. It's impressive to get a reaction from just pulling down a strap on your singlet.

It's moments like that that make question's Punk's ability as a worker. As a matter of fact, I don't think much of him as a worker tbh. I mean sometimes he can be great, other times he's questionable. I have Punk nowhere in a top 10. Top 10 promo guys, maybe. Workers? Hell no. Then again a lot of guys who I am huge fans of I'll put nowhere in a top 10. Jericho, for example, is a guy who I'm a huge fan of but he's nowhere in atop 10 of mine or 20.
Punk can see behind him on the massive screen btw.
Miz got a good match out of Jerry Lawler, so him.
:bosh2

How are the two title runs even comparable? Rock/Punk and Cena/Miz could be compared but Rock's only had two matches this year with the same guy compared to all the variety Miz's run had.
 
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