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For anyone that hasn't seen the new NWO DVD. Enjoy
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Night of Champions 2012

The Miz vs Sin Cara vs Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes

What the fuck was this ? I know Rey can work great with pretty much anybody, but you really had to give him both MIZ AND CARA IN THE SAME MATCH? That's just downright sadistic. The match can be entertaining at times but the action and interactions between the four seem so plodded and forced that I don't exactly know where to start. Whenever Mysterio and Rhodes seem to lock up, magic happens and it saves the match from being an absolute fail, whereas every other combination just absolutely SUCKS BALLS.

Seriously, I've seen this match get some rave reviews, but the action isn't all that great. The ending is one of the most awkwardly BAD things you'll ever see in a wrestling match as it makes no sense. Miz may be bad in this one, but Sin Cara is GREAT KHALI bad. As a matter of fact, I'd put Khali's run in WWE workrate wise FAR above Sin Cara. DEAD SERIOUS. What a fucking disappointment. Some shining lights with REY , but he deserves better. An opening match should flow much better than this one.


Kofi Kingston/R-Truth vs Daniel Bryan/Kane

OH this match was a wonderful change of pace from the last match. This was entertainment 101 from WWE here, with Bryan and Kane pandering to the crowd and having the crowd just eat it the fuck up. I don't usually like Kofi/Truth in the ring, but when paired with one of the best in-ring workers probably EVER in Danielson, and a fantastic big man in Kane, it makes for some interesting interactions. This was the Daniel Bryan show however, as his heelish entertainment style tendencies are more over than ever, why I believe he'll be WWE Champion next year.

ANYWAYS , this match was short but solid. Don't have a ton to say about it but a really fun match that you can watch more than once, and it seems like WWE has resurrected the tag division for a few months anyways ALA 2002.

** 3/4

Antonio Cesaro vs Zack Ryder

How the fuck did they manage to book Zack Ryder so badly ? I Mean GOD , here's a guy that should have been an upper midcarder by now, but it seems as if WWE wants to place him a step below Santino of all people. Anyways, this is less of a match and more of a showcase for Antonio Cesaro to show a PPV audience what his awesome moveset is like, and basically how he operates a match. Ryder essentially just gets the shit kicked out of him and lies around for like 6 minutes while Cesaro looks awesome. Cesaro looks like such a cocky prick in this one that I absolutely fucking adore it. You know what ? This is one of those short little matches that I could watch a million times as we get Antonio being awesome, Ryder selling like a champ, and a ROUGH RYDER APPEARANCE OMG. As a matter of fact , Ryder-Kane could have worked as a team to revitalize the division while Bryan's off being awesome and having great matches with Cena and Rey or something. It still pisses me off that Ryder has only wrestled THREE PPV singles matches.. EVER. ANYWAYS.. Yeah this was decent.

** 1/4

Dolph Ziggler vs Randy Orton

AH YES, a non-title match at Night of Champions that just so happens to (almost) steal the show ! If Sheamus vs Ziggler from No Way Out was the night of a thousand sleeper holds , this was the night of a thousand sleeper holds part 2 , as Ziggler just wears down Orton constantly with the hold, cranking on DAT BOY until it eventually costs him in the end (great mini-story thrown in by both of these guys). Ziggler always seems to make the sleeper look like the greatest move ever made for some reason, I don't even know how he does it anymore. Very athletic contests as these two have the best standing dropkicks in the WWE today, and exchange some very athletic holds both standing and on the ground.

God Vickie is so fucking annoying, I hate that she does her job so well. Great story here as Ziggler is like a rabid dog jumping all over Orton trying to keep him away from his initial burst, and trying to prevent Orton from going (to quote Michael Cole) "to that place that only Randy Orton goes" . For the most part Ziggler succeeds until things start spilling out of Control in which Orton easily takes over. The finish is extremely creative as it plays on the whole "sleeper" story where Orton basically reverses a sleeper into an RKO somehow. AWESOME. One of the upper echelon matches of the year and probably the best NON-**** match of 2012. These guys have great chemistry together and should have a few title matches down the road. REALLY reminiscent of Edge-Orton from Vengeance 04 IMO.

*** 3/4

Layla vs Eve

This got the exact amount of time as the Ryder match, which kind of really pisses me off. It's funny because this isn't even the worst match on the show, as Layla seems to be a really good worker nowadays and EVE is such a skank bitch that everybody hates her enough to care about half of her matches when we actually have a qualifiable babyface such as Layla is. It's a fucking DIVAS match, what the fuck do you want me to say ? Slightly better than the opener.


Sheamus vs Alberto Del Rio

I have to put my personal feelings about the storyline to the side on this one (RECAP OF THE SHEAMUS-DEL RIO FEUD ; IT SUCKED) in order to give the match it's due. Most of the time I really can't stand Del Rio , but he was pretty damn good in this one, picking Sheamus's arm apart through various moves. The psychology in this one is spot on as Del Rio is deathly afraid of the Brogue Kick so he reverts to his own gameplan which is attacking the left arm over and over and over and over again. This makes sense because his finisher is a fucking ARM-BAR FFS (why doesn't he do this more often?). ANYWAYS, these two have some really great exchanges here with moves being countered all over the place and whatnot, it's almost like after the 8653 matches they've had together they've finally figured their shit out.

We even get a great moment where everybody thinks Sheamus is going to tap, only for him to somehow hang on and reach the ropes (I'll get to my problem with this in a quick second) , then Sheamus takes Del Rio's head off for the win. This was a pretty good match, HOWEVER... IT HAD NO FUCKING DRAMA WHATSOEVER. We all knew Sheamus wasn't going to tap, we all knew that nobody gave a single fuck about Del Rio, and I know that isn't really a match criticism per se but something seems REALLY off about this one that I can't give it THAT high of a rating but it definitely deserves something. A really weird match. It was pretty great/good, but I don't ever wanna watch it again and I don't really like it.

*** 1/4

CM Punk vs John Cena

RESPECT. That's what this feud was all about, however that isn't what this match was all about. These two have delivered some of the greatest matches in WWE history over the past two years, so obviously when you pair the two up we have some really high expectations. These two surpass any other two individuals in the company in the sense that they counter each others moves on the fly so much and so fluently that it almost makes me wonder did they give it the Randy Savage treatment and plan it out before they went out there and performed. This match featured some of the best exchanges of moves and some of the most drama and excitement you'll ever see in a wrestling match , which makes it a classic of course, but it also takes away from the match in a point that I'll get to in a second.

Whereas the MITB and SS matchups were more or less about who is the greatest wrestler of the two which made the many many exchanges and kickouts make a ton of sense , this should have been a more story-driven match. We don't really get a sense of Punk's passion and his fire for Cena's respect other than the ending slap and his cocky Rock Bottom pin attempt. Instead we get two attitude adjustments , two GTS's , multiple STF's , and even a damn Rock Bottom. That's more finishers than we need in a match, and even though I fucking ate all of these finishers up and fucking adored this match with a passion (one of my favorites of the year) , it hurt the match from a story perspective whilst adding to the drama.

The ending ; FUCK THAT SHIT. Just look at the list of finishers I put up in the last paragraph that these two did to one another, and it ends it a draw ? I know we have to establish these guys as equals (Punk is the only full-time HEEL to have ever been considered Cena's equal I do believe) but can we have a better ending than that ? Just didn't make sense to the story whatsoever. HOWEVER, this was an amazing match and one of the best of the year (despite my bitching and complaining). These two bring out the special things in each other as they aren't afraid to take risks together in the hopes of putting on another classic (SEE ; Cena's suicide dive) and this definitely isn't an exception as it's probably my third FAVORITE match of the year and a top 10 match overall. Give us more of a story from all of these finisher attempts, show us more about Punk's anguish, and give us a decent ending and this has the potential to be the full FIVE, dead serious.

**** 1/4


This was essentially a two match show for me, as everything else could have been on a Raw or a Smackdown barring Sheamus-Del Rio which I don't care for in the slightest (glad Sheamus moved on from that overhyped piece of trash). We get an all-time classic main event that you can rate anywhere from **** to **** 3/4 depending on your tastes, and it's Punk vs Cena in a singles match for the title on PPV, obviously it's going to be fucking awesome. Ziggler/Orton marks will likely adore their match and might even put it as MOTN but I doubt it honestly.

The opener REALLY cripples the show as it sets a tone that's kind of slow and plodding. If the opener had to be faster and better coordinated we're looking at a pretty great show overall here, but instead we get an okay SHOW with two awesome matches (I guess that makes this a GOOD SHOW). This show is overrated for obvious reasons, but it's honestly worth the price of admission for Zigz-Orton and Punk-Cena alone. Overall this is probably in the middle of the pack when rating PPVs this year. GOOD stuff though, check it out.


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TLC 2011 Review (12/18/11)

Quick Thoughts: Since TLC 2012 is coming up I thought I might as well recheck out the previous one. Decent show, some hiccups and overall ultimately forgettable... like really forgettable but you got some solid matches in there. LOL @ how far Ryder has fallen since this event where he won the strap.

Dolph Ziggler vs. Zack Ryder- **3/4
Air Boom vs. Primo & Epico- ***
Randy Orton vs. Wade Barrett- ***1/2
Beth Phoenix vs. Kelly Kelly- *3/4
Triple H vs. Kevin Nash- ***1/2-***3/4
Sheamus vs. Jack Swagger- *
Mark Henry vs. Big Show- *
Big Show vs. Daniel Bryan- N/A
Cody Rhodes vs. Booker T- *
CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. The Miz- ***1/4

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TLC 2011

Zack Ryder vs Dolph Ziggler : *** 1/4
Air Boom vs MEXICANS : ** 1/4
Randy Orton vs Wade Barrett (Tables) : ** 3/4
Beth Phoenix vs Kelly Kelly : * 3/4
Triple H vs Kevin Nash (Ladder) : *** 1/4
Sheamus vs Jack Swagger : * 1/4
Mark Henry vs The Big Show (Chairs) : ** 1/2
Daniel Bryan vs The Big Show : N/A
Cody Rhodes vs Booker T : **
CM Punk vs Alberto Del Rio vs The Miz : ****

Some Quick Hit Thoughts :

- FUCK YOU WWE. Ryder was over as shit and still could be over as shit.
- Hate random filler tag matches with a passion, but this one was DECE
- Orton-Barrett is good by Barrett standards but heavily overrated nonetheless
- The Divas match was a Divas match. NUFF SAID.
- The sledgehammer ladder match is a pleasant surprise and the most underrated of 2011
- Fuck mindless filler like Sheamus-Swagger
- Henry-Show did what they could to entertain given Henry's health at the time.
- D-Bry deserved the title in retrospect but deserves it even more now
- Booker T deserved more time than this
- The best match in the WWE careers of ADR and Miz, given to them by the Best in the World nonetheless.
- Love the opener, love the main event, love the ladder match. Have a soft spot in my heart for all Henry-Show matches, D-Bry, and Booker as well. Punk-HHH-Ryder-Bryan all win in one night = A PPV I enjoy


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God so many great matches but I have finals in 2 weeks!!!!

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TLC 2011 (Matches I can remember):

Zack Ryder vs Dolph Ziggler : ***1/4
Randy Orton vs Wade Barrett (Tables) : **1/2
Triple H vs Kevin Nash (Ladder) : **
CM Punk vs Alberto Del Rio vs The Miz : ***3/4

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William Regal v Evan Bourne 3/4/10. Really, really awesome 6 minute match. Bit of a unique Regal match where his opponent was essentially trying to chop him down (when not being stretched and destroyed). Regal looked unbelievably good and everything he did looked so nasty and vicious. Bourne's selling ruled. Man Regal had an extremely overlooked 2010.

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Regal is the fucking man. Bourne plays the undersized babyface role (a la Mysterio) really well. Hope he returns soon.


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I wish he would stop being forced into random tag teams. Bourne IS a hell of a face in peril, though. So, at the very least, be given someone good to tag with. I wouldn't say no Christian at this point since they've seemingly given up on trying to push him.

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Bragging Rights 2009

The Miz vs. John Morrison
*** ~ Lame finish, but a solid opener nonetheless.

Beth Phoenix, Natalya, and Michelle McCool vs. Melina, Gail Kim, and Kelly Kelly
* ~ Typical divas match.

World Heavyweight Championship
Undertaker vs. CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Batista
***1/4 ~ Fun little match. Fast paced and short, but good action.

14 Man Interbrand Tag
Team SmackDown! vs. Team RAW
*** ~ Some people got barely any ring time which bothered me, but it was still a good match.

60 Minute No DQ Ironman Match For The WWE Championship
John Cena vs. Randy Orton
*** ~ This was entertaining for the most of the first half, but it really DRAGGED for a good 15 minutes later on. I also thought the pyro spots were pretty damn stupid. There was just enough good to warrant the rating, but a lot of bad stuff.

Overall an OKAY show, but really nothing worth seeing.
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