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post #911 of 20566 (permalink) Old 04-07-2012, 02:45 AM
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Also Jericho/Taker would be awful, Jericho can make feuds work but there's not a chance in hell he comes close to giving Taker as good a match as he had at Wrestlemania 26 and nobody would buy Jericho as being able to do what HHH and HBK couldn't. It would make a good feud for somewhere like Summerslam, but at this stage its Cena or bust regarding the Streak. He's the only realistic big name people could be buy ending the Streak, especially if they tied it into Cena having to prove to himself he still has 'it' after losing to Miz, Punk, Rock and potentially Lesnar.
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That is exactly the reason why I want Jericho/Undertaker. The Streak has become a "super phenomenon" now. It would be nice if it returned back to normal and Undertaker deserves a "cool down" match at WrestleMania. Jericho is the best candidate to give Undertaker that "cool down" bout.

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Some srs ratings. Probably.

Rock/Austin
X-Seven: ****1/2
XIX: ****3/4

Michaels/Undertaker
XXV: ****3/4
XXVI: *****

Undertaker/Triple H
XXVII: ****1/2
XXVIII: ****3/4

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Some srs ratings. Probably.

Rock/Austin
X-Seven: ****1/2
XIX: ****3/4

Michaels/Undertaker
XXV: ****3/4
XXVI: *****

Undertaker/Triple H
XXVII: ****1/2
XXVIII: ****3/4
Probably what I'd give. Except Rock vs Austin WM 19, kinda iffy in that match

So come on guys, i always hear Taker vs triple H being called an end of the attitude era match, problem is, I disagree, i consider it more of a territory style match. What do you think?

And as for 1998 to 1999, which are the matches that might beat it?

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I don't think it was even close to a territory match and those two were never territory wrestlers. I didn't think it was an attitude era match either.

98-99 isn't a terribly good time for WWF's in ring product, but I didn't think Taker v HHH was very good anyway so I'm betting there are tv matches I can go out and find that I'd say were definitely better. In absolutely honesty, I wouldn't say the match was better than like, three stars. I haven't bothered watching a ton of 98-99 WWF in a while, but there's at least two or three Rock/Foleys I like more (Valentine's Day, Rumble, Ladder match on Raw), Austin/Rock from Backlash, Austin/Taker first blood, Austin/Foley/HHH from SummerSlam, and if I'm remembering it right, Rock/Taker from KOTR. Hell, as much as I don't love ladder matches, I like the No Mercy tag more than Taker v Trip. I can't say I'll think this is all better for sure, but on last watch of each of them I got more from them than my watch of Trip/Taker. And that's only 1999. 98 has more ***+ than 99 (which isn't much anyway). If we're springing outside WWF then there's a BATCH of stuff I wouldn't let Taker/Trip touch with a ten foot pole. I think I could come up with ten matches from 1999 WCW alone I thought was better than it.

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Your opinion doesnt count at this instance yeah1993, you clearly hate that match because it discriminates against your people

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Austin/Dude Love Over The Edge is definitely above Taker/HHH, hell based on personal enjoyment and lack of flaws I might go CRAIG CRAZY~ and put Vader/Shamrock above the HIAC. Cos I'm CRAZY~ ya know?

Haven't really watched enough 1998-1999 WWF in a long time to really give a complete list, but I can definitely see a few matches being better than the Cell to me, though there's only one way to find out and right now I'm not exactly hyped to check out 1998 and 1999 WWF. Actually potentially I might put Taker/Kane WM14 above the Cell, based soley on the wonderful execution of the story they were trying to project.

I think at this stage I might have WM19>WM17 for Austin/Rock, I don't think anything is better in the WM19 match than Austin's character performance in Texas, such a wonderful exhibition of storytelling and selling of a match through nothing more than facial expressions and mannerisms. I enjoy Rock 'having' to win at WM19 and seeing the fight Austin puts up on top of his health issues definitely hooks me into the match a lot more on an emotional level rather than when I watched it live oblivious to what Austin was going through, and over time the WM17 really doesn't hold up in terms of a brilliant brawl. Its got a great pace to it and Austin might put in the best Wrestlemania performance in it, but Rock was essentially just there to add to the story of Austin doubting himself and some of the sequences don't blow me away like they used to.

Agreed with Hohenheim on Michaels/Taker WM26>WM25 as well. Just brilliant storytelling and callback spots to matches as far back as 2006 (Hells Gate counter utilised by Angle at NWO). Felt like the true definition of WWE Main Event Wrestling only with a more simple and well executed story with two brilliant dynamic characters and even the closest thing to a botch (moonsault through announce table) actually added to the story within the match rather than making for an awkward moment which disrupted the flow of the match. Plus the finish is without doubt the best of the match finishes from WM24-28, though I wouldn't object to people preferring Flair/Michaels as a match finish.
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Your opinion doesnt count at this instance yeah1993, you clearly hate that match because it discriminates against your people
Australians? Theists? PEOPLE WITH QUASI-AFROS B/C TAKER WAS BALD????

Or maybe it's because there was real emotion in the match and I am completely devoid of anything nice-spirited. Hey look, a puppy.

I'm a Kaientai fan. I have to be evil.

EDIT: Vader/Shamrock from A Cold Day in Hell, Steffan? There wasn't a moment in Trip/Taker where I'd even consider CONSIDERING putting it on Vader/Shamrock's level.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Undertaker was kinda a territory guy. For a couple of years, anyway. WCCW, then Memphis, then UWF, and he spent a little time in Japan too between his WCW and WWF runs.

But I don't really think the end of an era match was talking about an actual era of wrestling, more of an era of wrestlers like them. Lets face it, we aren't going to see a match like THAT again for a long time because there just isn't anyone left to do it. We can still get "big" matches with great atmospheres from some of the current guys (Cena/Punk already did it, and with Lesnar back he'll no doubt do it with a few people), but we aren't going to get another huge match with such emotion and storytelling quite like Undertaker/HHH/HBK because there really were on a whole other level to everyone else; at least perception wise (HHH... Undertaker imo literally IS on a whole other level, HBK as a performer maybe), and its going to take quite a few years yet to built up guys to be on THAT kind of level to have those kind of matches. That's my personal take on the whole thing anyway.
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Rock NEEDS to put somebody over now. He just came in and went over the #1 guy. Time to make a new #1 guy (at least a semi #1 to share the spot with Cena). I think CM Punk is the only candidate b/c seriously, who else is big enough?

I don't think I'd mind Brock beating Punk, Rock beating Brock and Punk beating Rock to circle the title back onto Punk but that's about 2 years WWE title matches right there between those three and I don't see WWE being able to keep themselves from hotshotting it to someone random.

If Undertaker's coming back, then Cena is pretty much the way to go. Yes, it'll probably end with Cena losing 3 WrestleMania matches in a row but what the heck? His credibility ain't going anywhere. Hopefully by WrestleMania 30, WWE will have someone else huge to face the Undertaker at Mania.

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