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post #9091 of 20566 (permalink) Old 11-19-2012, 02:43 AM
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Doesnt have to be Sheamus, could be anybody that will be with the WWE for years to come. Undertaker has had a great run at the top. His streak is not the only thing he will be remembered for. WWE should really think about ending his streak, and not giving it to someone that doesnt need it.

About Brock. I think they already wasted him. I mean, yea Lesnar/HHH and Lesnar/Cena were dream matches, but they have not acomplished anything in my opinion. Lesnar is leaving soon, isnt he? I think his contract is up after Wrestlemania. I would seriously use him to build up new stars before he leaves. Or we can continue with the way things are now. Give us Lesnar/HHH 2 at Wrestlemania and have HHH get his win back because he really needs it. Then both men can leave and nothing will be accomplished.
The only people that can even be listed to defeat Undertaker at WrestleMania is John Cena & CM Punk. It doesn't need to end nor should it. The legacy is far greater than anything they could have come up with. If Shawn Michaels & Triple H couldn't try it on a collective 5 times, then it stays. Nobody needs to end the streak to get over. That can be accomplished many other ways.

Don't see how he's wasted when he was only meant to work about 3 matches with this return. He's there ONLY for the dream matches. Brock didn't sign the contract saying "ok, how many guys am I going to create into stars?" He's not Ric Flair. He's not Terry Funk. He's not there to feed into emerging wrestlers like a Sheamus or a Ryback. He's Brock Lesnar. He's an attraction. He's there to draw. He's there to give us the big money matches and that's all.

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Lesnar or Cena losing to Ryback would be horrifying. He's probably the worst high-profile worker in the company. I'd rather they give a WWE championship run to Layla.

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The only people that can even be listed to defeat Undertaker at WrestleMania is John Cena & CM Punk. It doesn't need to end nor should it. The legacy is far greater than anything they could have come up with. If Shawn Michaels & Triple H couldn't try it on a collective 5 times, then it stays. Nobody needs to end the streak to get over. That can be accomplished many other ways.

Don't see how he's wasted when he was only meant to work about 3 matches with this return. He's there ONLY for the dream matches. Brock didn't sign the contract saying "ok, how many guys am I going to create into stars?" He's not Ric Flair. He's not Terry Funk. He's not there to feed into emerging wrestlers like a Sheamus or a Ryback. He's Brock Lesnar. He's an attraction. He's there to draw. He's there to give us the big money matches and that's all.
But why? Why is Undertaker's streak such a big deal that nobody should ever break? Yes, there are other ways to put someone over, but why cant the streak be used as one of them. That is like the biggest way to put anybody over. Hell, I would not even mind if Punk was to end the streak. A year long title reign, and ended Undertaker's undefeated streak. Great way to make a huge huge star in my opinion.

And, on the Lesnar issue, I can see your point here.

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But why? Why is Undertaker's streak such a big deal that nobody should ever break? Yes, there are other ways to put someone over, but why cant the streak be used as one of them. That is like the biggest way to put anybody over. Hell, I would not even mind if Punk was to end the streak. A year long title reign, and ended Undertaker's undefeated streak. Great way to make a huge huge star in my opinion.

And, on the Lesnar issue, I can see your point here.
It's virtually setting up someone to fail. You have this MASSIVE, huge, mega deal in the streak. Then out of nowhere a non-icon type wrestle dethrones Taker. Changes the history of the WWE forever. Literally. Rides this wave of momentum. Only, what if the prospected worker doesn't turn out as well as things would have hoped. For whatever reason Taker's ultimate passing of the torch was snuffed out. Then you have the streak terminated, a worker who's benefited nothing from it, and a loss of history that makes it feel as if it was all for not.

Lets be real. If the honest to goodness legends of the company couldn't take him down, then why in the heck should a new guy? It really doesn't fit. You have to grasp the magnitude of what this win would mean. Then look at it like "is it really worth it?" 99.9% it isn't. That small, small fraction of a percent for success is fleeting too. b/c if Cena or CM Punk got it, well so what. They're set in their careers as it is. Unless CM Punk becomes the biggest name in the history of pro wrestling due to this, it isn't needed. I'm talking EVER. This puts him on a level like "nobody can touch him" type style.

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Im torn on Taker losing the streak. Part of me thinks its been built up for 20 years surely it would be a waste if it didnt have a pay off. The problem is i just dont know who you can have beat him at this point. The only idea I have is Cena doing it turning heel in the process by winning by destroying Taker with a steel chair.

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Why do some people assume beating Taker at Mania will make you a megastar? It's a big deal, no doubt. But it's a big deal to wrestling fans and wrestling fans only. It won't draw in new watchers and/or make the wrestler who ended the streak a Hogan/Austin/Rock-level guy. Even fans of the wrestler won't say "all right, he ended Taker's streak; HE IS AWESOME. I will tune in to every single thing he does and buy all of his merchandise." Ending the streak will just disappoint a lot of fans.

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Taker/Punk is a massive no for me. Just don't want to see it. I'm stuck on Lesnar or Cena for Taker and I don't care what anybody says lol. It's them or bust imo. Also, the streak should never end but that's just me. If there ever something in wrestling that would legitimately leave me truly speechless it would be witnessing the streak coming to an end. Honest to God I wouldn't know how to deal with that. Shocked would be an understatement lol.


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Taker doesn't want to nor should retire with the streak intact.

That's not how the business works.

Anyway, i'd mark if Cena ended the streak as a babyface. The shitstorm would incredible.

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In this instance I'd happily accept the legend going out on top. The streak is just special and I'd hate to see WWE fuck it up in some vain attempt to make a star. There is no right guy to hand that accolade to imo. Taker retires with the streak intact. If they want him to go out on a loss and put somebody over then they can do it at Survivor Series and let him go out the way he came in. Lesnar this year, Cena next year and then he rides off into the sunset. The perfect way to go out.


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It's really HHH/Brock II and Punk/Taker for this year. I think that'll be Brock and Punk matches for this year.
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