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Old 11-19-2012, 12:37 AM   #9081 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Taker not putting over Punk at Mania tbh.
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Eh, don't think I'd like to see that. Streak is better off remaining unblemished, imo. The tension of having Punk possibly topple it is enough.
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I hope to god Punk doesn't drop the title to Sheamus. That would mean Sheamus becomes the top champion on the A-brand, and I don't know that I can sit through an Irish Cena for another few years as the top guy of the company. I really don't. I'd much prefer Ryback, even if he's not up to snuff in the ring. A Goldberg clone as the top guy would be a lot fresher than a Cena clone imo.

A 500 day title reign vs. 20 year streak would be a great way to sell the match, but I still feel they'd need to play up in some way that Taker is weakening to give Punk even the smallest semblance of chance and realism to beat Taker after what Taker has gone through the last few years.

The only problem I have with it is the same problem I'd have with Rock or Lesnar holding the title past Mania... what's the point? Taker leaves after Mania and the title is vacated? No thank you. Or he just sticks around one extra month and then drops it like that? Unless Taker sticks around until Summerslam and drops it there to Ryback or someone, I don't see the point in just giving him a transitional reign, or having Taker be the one to end Punk's reign. Ryback ending Punk's reign at Mania would be better if it's just gonna be a transitional reign. Hell, I'd also rather Rock just win the title at RR and drop the title to Cena/Punk/Ryback at Mania (which is what's gonna happen anyway). I think a Taker/Punk match would be excellent, but if it's for the title, I think I'd honestly lean more on the side of Punk ending the streak as opposed to Taker winning the title, unless as I said, Taker sticks around for a few months before dropping it.

But who knows. Punk did end Cena's SVS streak. Perhaps he's the streak killer after all.
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Sheamus a Cena clone. Now I've heard it all. That is a refreshing change from the "he's Triple H's guy" stuff though. Although Cena clone isn't even close to an insult. That means he's greatly over, gets a reaction every time, and delivers strong matches on a consistent basis. Maybe it does fit.

Sheamus OWNS. I'd be all for him in the WWE Championship picture again. He seems to be locked into the World Championship scene for a good bit though. Punk doesn't have any signs of slowing down pardon the up in the air Rumble match. So if Sheamus will continue to be on top, he'll do it with the World Championship of course.
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I would do these things. Some might like it, and others might not.

Ryback
Have him beat Cena clean in a match, in a kind of passing the torch moment. Cena is getting older, and can not be the top face forever. Then I would have Ryback and Lesnar have a match where Lesnar puts Ryback over clean as well. Lesnar doesnt give a fuck about the WWE that much. He will probably be gone soon, so lets use him to put guys over. Have him go over Mark Henry clean with the Shell Shocked. Build up Ryback like a monster, and then put the title on him at Summerslam or Survivor Series.

I would have CM Punk go over The Rock at Royal Rumble, and stay champion all the way until Wrestlemania. I would have The Miz win the Rumble, and beat Punk for the WWE title at Wrestlemania. I would have Sheamus turn heel, and end Undertakers undefeated streak at Wrestlemania. Have Lesnar put over some guys that need the rub before his contract is over. I would make fucking sure that Barrett becomes World Heavyweight champion on Smackdown. Have Orton turn heel like he was in 2009.
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Sheamus a Cena clone. Now I've heard it all. That is a refreshing change from the "he's Triple H's guy" stuff though. Although Cena clone isn't even close to an insult. That means he's greatly over, gets a reaction every time, and delivers strong matches on a consistent basis. Maybe it does fit.
He doesn't really tick the first two boxes (I don't consider him greatly over based on reactions and while he's one of the few to get reactions most of the time, he doesn't get them all the time), but I'll give him the third one. He's been a workhorse for a while now and I can't complain about some of the good-great matches he's had this year. However I'm not a fan of the kid-loving, always happy-going smiling top face traits that both Cena and Sheamus seem to share and rarely seem to not be happy/smiling unless a feud gets really personal (which I suppose the Show feud has). I just can't deal with that as the top face of Raw again after having Cena for years. Though Cena at least has shown he can deliver on the mic, but I have yet to be impressed with Sheamus. I'm hoping you're right that Sheamus stays on SD and in the WHC picture and doesn't come near the WWE Title picture while Punk has it.

As for the idea of Miz beating Punk for the title, I'd be okay with that maybe... not entirely sure where they're going with Miz just yet though. I'd have to think about that and see how his face run unfurls.
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Sheamus is plenty over. This isn't someone trying to defend a mild Kofi Kingston pop as being over here. It's Sheamus. I mean...they're there.

So what, Sheamus & Cena smile when they enter. They're faces. It's fine. Don't see a problem with a heated personal feud being the catalyst for them to get really serious. They don't have to be dead serious 100% of the time. They're not Benoit focused or Austin anti-hero, but that wouldn't classify them as bad by any means. Especially if Sheamus is the lead in to follow John-boy. It's acceptable. And fitting. Sheamus is reliable & proven his worth.

Don't agree w/any part of Sparta's ideas. Sheamus ending the streak? Ryback beating BROCK clean and BROCK jobbing left and right? No way.
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Sheamus is plenty over. This isn't someone trying to defend a mild Kofi Kingston pop as being over here. It's Sheamus. I mean...they're there.

So what, Sheamus & Cena smile when they enter. They're faces. It's fine. Don't see a problem with a heated personal feud being the catalyst for them to get really serious. They don't have to be dead serious 100% of the time. They're not Benoit focused or Austin anti-hero, but that wouldn't classify them as bad by any means. Especially if Sheamus is the lead in to follow John-boy. It's acceptable. And fitting. Sheamus is reliable & proven his worth.

Don't agree w/any part of Sparta's ideas. Sheamus ending the streak? Ryback beating BROCK clean and BROCK jobbing left and right? No way.
Doesnt have to be Sheamus, could be anybody that will be with the WWE for years to come. Undertaker has had a great run at the top. His streak is not the only thing he will be remembered for. WWE should really think about ending his streak, and not giving it to someone that doesnt need it.

About Brock. I think they already wasted him. I mean, yea Lesnar/HHH and Lesnar/Cena were dream matches, but they have not acomplished anything in my opinion. Lesnar is leaving soon, isnt he? I think his contract is up after Wrestlemania. I would seriously use him to build up new stars before he leaves. Or we can continue with the way things are now. Give us Lesnar/HHH 2 at Wrestlemania and have HHH get his win back because he really needs it. Then both men can leave and nothing will be accomplished.
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Sheamus is plenty over. This isn't someone trying to defend a mild Kofi Kingston pop as being over here. It's Sheamus. I mean...they're there.

So what, Sheamus & Cena smile when they enter. They're faces. It's fine. Don't see a problem with a heated personal feud being the catalyst for them to get really serious. They don't have to be dead serious 100% of the time. They're not Benoit focused or Austin anti-hero, but that wouldn't classify them as bad by any means. Especially if Sheamus is the lead in to follow John-boy. It's acceptable. And fitting. Sheamus is reliable & proven his worth.

Don't agree w/any part of Sparta's ideas. Sheamus ending the streak? Ryback beating BROCK clean and BROCK jobbing left and right? No way.
He's not really as over as he should be (no one in WWE is really "over" besides Cena and maybe Ryback nowadays... even Punk as a heel is lacking to a degree). He gets mild pops, like what he got at the PPV but nothing to talk about as far as being "very over".

I suppose we have to level it down to difference of opinion. I think that's the problem that they're not "Austin anti-hero" focused with Sheamus and they're instead going the Cena route with him (and I'm not asking for dead serious 100% of the time, but a good balance between seriousness and comedy, leaning more on the serious side), and I could only tolerate Cena so much, but now to have Sheamus there doesn't make things better, though at least he's not shoved down our throats on Raw in the spot he's in now. I would say Punk was a nice filler between Cena and Sheamus, but Punk as a face wasn't really much different than Cena either. I suppose Sheamus is reliable in the ring and hey, he hasn't been injured yet as far as I remember so he's certainly someone they can put some faith into. I've never been sold on him though and I'm still not.

I think that's what is making me like Ryback more than I should. Just the freshness in him and unlike big guys WWE have tried to build up like Ezekeil Jackson, Ryback has a charismatic intensity about him that makes it work a lot better and makes people care. I think Ryback beating Lesnar at Mania would be a great way to put him over huge, however I don't agree with Lesnar jobbing left and right. Build Lesnar up, keep Ryback looking unstoppable, and have them clash at Mania in a big-time feel monster match where Ryback wins.

The only worry right now with Ryback is would he be able to have great matches? From what I saw in his interactions with Cena, I think the potential is there, but he still needs work. I thought the HIAC with how Punk sold for Ryback was good and a great way to make Ryback look like the beast that he is. But yeah, we'll see where they go with him. I'm sure he's going to be feuding with Rollins/Ambrose/Reigns, but do they use them to keep Ryback going or do they use Ryback to put them over?

The WM card is pretty unpredictable right now. Obviously the top matches are going to feature Rock/Lesnar/Taker/Punk/Cena in some fashion, with the possibility of HHH and Ryback being thrown in there. Not to mention the many possibilities for the WHC. Sheamus/Orton. Ryback/Show. Ziggler/Sheamus/Show. And many others.
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Doesnt have to be Sheamus, could be anybody that will be with the WWE for years to come. Undertaker has had a great run at the top. His streak is not the only thing he will be remembered for. WWE should really think about ending his streak, and not giving it to someone that doesnt need it.

About Brock. I think they already wasted him. I mean, yea Lesnar/HHH and Lesnar/Cena were dream matches, but they have not acomplished anything in my opinion. Lesnar is leaving soon, isnt he? I think his contract is up after Wrestlemania. I would seriously use him to build up new stars before he leaves. Or we can continue with the way things are now. Give us Lesnar/HHH 2 at Wrestlemania and have HHH get his win back because he really needs it. Then both men can leave and nothing will be accomplished.
The only people that can even be listed to defeat Undertaker at WrestleMania is John Cena & CM Punk. It doesn't need to end nor should it. The legacy is far greater than anything they could have come up with. If Shawn Michaels & Triple H couldn't try it on a collective 5 times, then it stays. Nobody needs to end the streak to get over. That can be accomplished many other ways.

Don't see how he's wasted when he was only meant to work about 3 matches with this return. He's there ONLY for the dream matches. Brock didn't sign the contract saying "ok, how many guys am I going to create into stars?" He's not Ric Flair. He's not Terry Funk. He's not there to feed into emerging wrestlers like a Sheamus or a Ryback. He's Brock Lesnar. He's an attraction. He's there to draw. He's there to give us the big money matches and that's all.
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