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Old 11-17-2012, 09:01 PM   #9011 (permalink)
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> implying Rock vs Cena was one of the best PPV matches this year.

But seriously that cover looks pretty cool.
Well, it was the most hyped match of the year. It's only natural that they feature it on the cover. Speaking of the cover, I love it. I plan on picking up this set once it comes out as well as the other best PPV matches sets they've put out.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:18 PM   #9012 (permalink)
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Brock vs Cena would have been 5 star if Lesnar had won. I'm not an anti-Cena fan but he shouldn't have won that match. It was pretty pointless making him win against Lesnar and then lose to Laurinitis in the following PPV as well. The match (Lesnar - Cena) was still awesome (4 star) though because I was never expecting WWE to add blood in the match, especially in this day and age. Not only that, it was very well booked (before the ending, of course).
****3/4.

Booking was fine. I wanted BROCK to win myself, but considering Cena lost to Rock at WrestleMania it was needed. Unless the WWE was gonna do the downward spiral angle that Starbuck presented. That's only indication I can see Cena losing being needed in.

I blame Rock for all of this.
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Happened in New Japan I think?
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Was it really? FUCK. Guess that's true since BROCK split from NJPW to go to IGF. Which sparked the championship controversy.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:40 PM   #9015 (permalink)
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****3/4.

Booking was fine. I wanted BROCK to win myself, but considering Cena lost to Rock at WrestleMania it was needed. Unless the WWE was gonna do the downward spiral angle that Starbuck presented. That's only indication I can see Cena losing being needed in.

I blame Rock for all of this.
I wouldn't say it was needed because Cena has now reached a point where losing matches doesn't hurt him as much. Lesnar needed the win more than Cena did but after the match, all the appeal and hype about Lesnar was gone. He just became another guy who loses matches. Imagine the build up to his potential match with Taker. Lesnar has beaten Cena and HHH, two of the biggest stars and now he faces Undertaker. Both are undefeated; Lesnar undefeated since returning and Taker undefeated at Wrestlemania. IMO, it's a bad idea to make your highest paid wrestler lose in his first match. It's like Goldberg losing to the Rock in his very first WWE match. Only difference is that Lesnar lost.

On the Rock match, I didn't really mind who won but a loss doesn't really hurt Cena for two main reasons. Firstly, it could be argued that the torch was passed to Cena when he defeated both HBK and HHH at Wrestlemania and he has achieved almost everything in the WWE (only thing he hasn't won is the IC title). Secondly, he will eventually beat the Rock in the future to make up for his loss at WM 28 which makes it 1-1 between Rock and Cena.
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Well, it was the most hyped match of the year. It's only natural that they feature it on the cover. Speaking of the cover, I love it. I plan on picking up this set once it comes out as well as the other best PPV matches sets they've put out.
Yeah, I know, I was just joking.
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I stand by my point. Cena winning was fine given what occured at WM and what would occur for Over The Limit. Especially with the story that was told during the build and match wise vs Brock. Brock is a guy who's gonna work about 3 matches with this return. Loses one, wins the other to make up for it. What you say about Cena being fine in losing matches works in the same light with Brock. Especially since the guy he defeated was Triple H and it's been treated as if that was really The Game's final match ever.

Cena only had two ways to go in the match vs Brock. Win and triumph over the downward spiral or lose and continue with the downward spiral. There was no other option.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:15 PM   #9018 (permalink)
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I stand by my point. Cena winning was fine given what occured at WM and what would occur for Over The Limit. Especially with the story that was told during the build and match wise vs Brock. Brock is a guy who's gonna work about 3 matches with this return. Loses one, wins the other to make up for it. What you say about Cena being fine in losing matches works in the same light with Brock. Especially since the guy he defeated was Triple H and it's been treated as if that was really The Game's final match ever.

Cena only had two ways to go in the match vs Brock. Win and triumph over the downward spiral or lose and continue with the downward spiral. There was no other option.
I doubt WWE would have made Cena lose three times in a row. He was always going to triumph over his short lived downward spiral. Losing to high profile names like Rock and Lesnar doesn't hurt his credibility at all. They give Lesnar a 5 million contract and have him lose in his first match by just 2 moves? It also didn't add to Cena's character at all. Cena said the Rock match meant everything to him and he was selling the loss perfectly fine but then he defeats Lesnar, feuds with John Laurinitis and becomes the same character. It's like nothing happened at all. The Rock loss was meant to have a long term affect on Cena's character but it just lasted a month. It just doesn't make sense to bring a high drawing name like Lesnar and make him lose in his first match since 2004 considering all the hype that was made about him. Yeah sure he made HHH 'retire' but it doesn't change the fact that he lost in his return match against a John Cena that was low on confidence. As I said before, John Cena was always going to triumph at the end but his triumph was just too soon IMO.
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Not gonna argue with the booking flaws b/c they were just that. Flaws. Cena put all of that importance vs The Rock, lost, and it felt like nothing ever happened. Sure they incorporated it as if it was gonna lead to something, but it didn't. That's the WWE's fault. It's also their fault that he went from losing to Rock, to beating Lesnar, to losing to Ace, and beating Show. The latter two being programs that nobody really cared for from the start. So I think this all stems from the WWE's apparent lack of direction this year on some things. Cena finally got some steady momentum when won MITB, granted it was painfully obvious, and began the series vs Punk again.

It made sense to have Brock there to be the guy who was gonna be the "new face of the WWE" by Ace. His loss actually incorporated with the Triple H storyline fine. That's really where the basis of it came from. He loses, still demands this and that leading to H claiming why they would give it to him when he couldn't even topple the current "face of the company." Take it from there. So that was fine for Brock. Like I said, didn't hurt him either. No real use in the gripe anymore as it has come and past. Brock was last seen on a high note and that's good enough for him to return and make a claim for a potential WrestleMania match.

Have to chime in that the finish of the match at Extreme Rules was well done. But, more importantly believable. Brock demolished Cena. Never attempted to cover or win the match, however. That's the key. He simply wanted to beat the crap out of the man. He let his ego get the better of him and flew directly into a massive punch from Cena WITH A CHAIN. You seen Cena's hands? They're massive. Combined with steel chain and forget about it. Brock was bleeding, disoriented, and didn't know where he was at. Combine that with an F-U on the steel steps followed by a quick cover and there you go. Cena capitalized on his one chance. Brock had Cena beat numerous times in the match. He simply was too cocky to try and take the W. He was his own worst enemy at the end. If there ever was a way for Brock to leave that match fine, that was it.
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I watched Batista/Eddie again tonight and after bashing it so much the first time, I actually liked it a lot this time around. Not because the match had so much awesome wrestling, but because of the story of the match.

Match starts of with Batista overpowering Eddie in everything they do, then Eddie gets the upper hand when he uses the ropes and hits the frog splash on Batista's back. After that move Eddie just attacks Batista's back, trying to injure him enough so he cant do his big power moves. During this whole time there is another story happening. Eddie ends up getting a couple of chances to cheat by using a steel chair, and exposing the steel turnbuckle, but you can see him struggling because he is trying to change from his old ways. Towards the end of the match Batista makes a comeback and tries to do the Batista Bomb on Eddie, but his back is too injured so he fails. Eddie tries to do a frog splash, Batista moves out of the way and ends up hitting a spinebuster for a quick 3 count. Loved both of the stories of the match. ***1/4 in my opinion.
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