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Old 11-16-2012, 06:07 PM   #8961 (permalink)
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Just got done with the Smackdown episode where Eddie completes his heel turn. Awesome beat-down on Rey and it's the first time I've seen Rey blade plus his face almost fully exposed. What does everyone think of the Rey/Chavo street fight right before it? I thought it was a pretty good match. Orale, holmes!
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I miss the LADDERSAULT gif.

Never saw it? What were you doing with yourself in 2009? (at least you saw it now)
LADDERSAULT. I miss my MORRISON OWNS gif from ER 2008.

And you're the one who hadn't seen the Canada promo. What were YOU doing in 2005?!?
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STF = standard tag formula? That's been bugging me. Never seen that acronym describe tag work before (clearly you're more adept in the area than I).
Close, Southern Tag Formula. Was basically a tag style that dominated southern territories throughout the 80s and into the 90s and today. Basically revolves around 3 key stages:

Stage 1: Babyface shine period. This varies from the style of the babyfaces, e.g the Rockers being quick and explosive, the Hardy Boys more daring, Taker and Kane being more physical and using their power. Essentially the heels get destroyed and outmatched. The Rock n Roll Express would often employ numerous comedy spots at the expense of the Midnight Express during this period: things like the Midnight Express trying to duplicate a spot the RnR would do only to fail, the babyfaces continually having a counter for every hold the heels would lock on etc. This builds and builds until stage 2..

Stage 2: Transition spot and Face In Peril segment. Basically the heels through nefarious means manage to counter a babyface move and isolate one of the babyfaces and work an extended control segment. The babyface bumps and sells everything like death, the babyface on the apron typically works the crowd into a frenzy and the heels bust out numerous cheat tactics to draw heat: drawing the ref out of position, taunting the babyface on the apron and drawing him into the ring, making sure the ref misses a legitimate tag to the babyface on the apron, choking the babyface, entering the ring without a valid tag etc etc. They'll also tease a hot tag such as the classic spot where the babyface jumps to the corner only to be caught and dragged away. Steamboat also used to do a classic spot where he'd almost fall over the ropes and into the ring by reaching that far for a tag.

Stage 3: Hot tag and finish. The FIP manages to tag his partner in, partner cleans house and then they go into a finishing stretch with numerous counters, screwjob teases and guys breaking up pins. Occasionally they'll deviate and work 2 shorter FIP segments, but the traditional structure has one extended heel control segment.
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I'm familiar with the formula (as it was pretty standard WWE fare), but just wasn't sure what the acronym stood for. I suppose Southern would've been a better guess than standard, in retrospect.

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The John Morrison DVD is totally worth the dollar you can buy it for. Lots of fun stuff on it, even if it's only one disc.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:18 PM   #8966 (permalink)
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Yeah not sure why I haven't purchased that yet.
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I'm familiar with the formula (as it was pretty standard WWE fare), but just wasn't sure what the acronym stood for. I suppose Southern would've been a better guess than standard, in retrospect.

Thanks for the explanation.
No worries, its pretty much the Flair formula only in a tag setting and when utilised correctly it hardly ever fails to hook the crowd and produce a very good match. All you really need is one good-great babyface, heels who know how to work a crowd and draw heat and the babyface on the apron to be able to control the crowd and work a good hot tag stretch of offence. The comedy spots are by far the best however and need to be done more in modern day tags.

I'll never tire of Arn Anderson ducking out of the ring when his partner(s) get obliterated thinking he's outsmarted the babyfaces, only to play to the crowd too long and end up eating a punch/kick/dive from the babyface. Plus it makes his ability to alternate between comedy stooge and vicious killer on offence even more impressive.

Btw HailSabin did you ever watch those RnR/Duggan vs Midnight Express/Ladd and Midnight Express/Fantastics tags? I recall you mentioning about wanting to give them a watch, but then I went on a mini holiday for a few days and haven't gotten around to looking through the pages I missed. If it helps make you want to watch them more, I'd call the 6 man the best 6 man tag in US History and the Express/Fantastics tag at worst a top 3 US tag of all time.
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LADDERSAULT. I miss my MORRISON OWNS gif from ER 2008.

And you're the one who hadn't seen the Canada promo. What were YOU doing in 2005?!?
Last time I watched that PPV I tried to look for the sign. Think I found it.

Hey, I was w/o cable at the time. It was brutal. </3

Of all people, Greg. You don't got the JoMo set. (neither do I so FUCK) I know it owns thanks to the match listing. It has the great match vs Punk and a lot of his 2009 run aka the best part of his singles career.

Segunda, idk how much indie stuff you watch, but there was a tag team match that was great mix with the Southern style + a dash of indie flavor that I think you might dig. Cheech & Cloudy vs Colin Olsen & Jimmy Olsen from Chikara Cibernetico & Robin. Random suggestion, but it feeds into your love for wonderfully constructed tag team matches. I don't mean to overhype something you may never watch, but merely suggesting it.

EDIT ~ Shoot, nah. Totally escaped my mind. I know why. They on youtube or dailymotion?
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I'll give it a watch if I ever come across a link. I generally tend to often prefer smaller indy companies when it comes to tags these days (Lawler had a couple of gems this year) compared to say an ROH or PWG but I do find CHIKARA fun a lot of the time so I'll definitely see if it peaks my interest.

Gonna actually watch a few Gallows and Murdoch Indy matches tomorrow which have been pimped as some of the best stuff on the US Indies last year, both guys really get overlooked because they're not booked on the bigger Indies but they're comfortably two of the best going right now. Derrick King and Frankie Tucker also had a tremendous 00s version of Lawler/Dundee this year which remains one of the better Indy matches I've seen.

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Right on. Thought I'd pass the information your way. Especially since I put it on a pedestal. Btw, if you remember Colin Delaney from WWECW circa 2008, well he's Colin Olsen in the match if you weren't aware. He OWNS, haha.

The only Murdoch matches I was aware of in the indies were with IWA-MS. Some of the smaller ones apparently evaded me. And I didn't even know Gallows worked some stuff in the states except for Wrestling Revolution Project. Thought he was only in Japan after his release.
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