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post #8831 of 20566 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 09:58 AM
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Leg (or limb in general) work doesn't really ALWAYS have to pay off, I think. Sometimes Wrestler A will work Wrestler B's leg and Wrestler B can find ways to get around it and win without any pay off to the leg work. The leg work is sort of there for filler, yeah, but it's fun and effective filler to me. Bret would work the leg for some help with the sharpshooter (or in Diesel/Bigelow/any tall guy or fatasses case- to keep them off of their feet). He may not win with the Sharpshooter, but if we're supposed to take our delusional little views that wrestling is a real fight at any point, Bret working the leg-> going for the sharpshooter-> not winning with it, still makes sense. He tried to work the leg to wear his opponent down to win the match, but failed.
I agree with this. I mean its great when the body of the match plays into the finish, not only because it feels like everything prior to it had purpose and meaning, but also because it comes off as smart and adds rhythm and flow to the match.

As you said though, the opponent may be able to work around the limbwork and as long as the limbwork is sold enough to convey some form of drama in that the opponent is noticeably struggling then I have no problems with the match shifting away from it. A good example might be the Ohtani vs El Samurai NJPW match. Ohtani makes the leg his focus but as the match progresses he attempts to use his signature offence but alters it towards the leg, e.g the springboard dropkick is directed to the leg rather than the back/upper body as it usually is. Ohtani also uses the leg as a point of escape and as a way to setup a signature move, such as kicking the leg and then immediately following up with the bridging full nelson suplex.

So long as the limbwork is either sold well enough or at least presented in a way that its not forgotten about and therefore rendered useless, it doesn't necessarily have to pay off in the finish. Though of course when it does it can really add to the overall quality of the match, but that's the case with any smartly structured match.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Was that HHH promo from heat that they listed the one that Rock ripped to shreds on PPV in 1999 ?

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Was that HHH promo from heat that they listed the one that Rock ripped to shreds on PPV in 1999 ?
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First things first I apologies if there is a thread already concerning this i must of missed it. But anyway I've just watched the CM Punk and I think its one of the best DVDs WWE has put out. I was surprised at the fact that so much non WWE footage was used and that they mentioned his matches with Samoa Joe. Its complete Non kayfabe style was fresh to see, where as other DVDs have been semi fictional and fact. I hope WWE release more DVDs this style.

Anyone else enjoy it? Or any thoughts on the documentary?

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Bret Hart vs The Undertaker ONO 1997 : **** 1/2

Fucking ADORE this match and it's one of my favorites from both men, and it's the best match on one of the more stellar cards of all time. Yeah, the finish is kind of bullshit but I don't think it takes away from how awesome this is. Bret's last CLASSIC and Taker's best match... Up until about a month later when he wrestled in the greatest match of all time... So YEEEAHHHHH.

Bret Hart vs The Undertaker SS 97 : ****

Love how well Bret and Shawn work with Taker but how bad they work with one another, probably the most unexplainable BAD chemistry ever





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Survivor Series 92 was good.

They legit disliked each other in 96-97 so bad chemistry isn't that hard to believe, imo.





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Bret-Shawn SS 97 > > > Bret-Shawn SS 92

I still think to this day that the Survivor Series 1997 match is their best match together even though it's mired in controversy. **** all the way for me.

Still think Taker-Rock have perhaps the worst main event chemistry (one-on-one of course) ever and legit wouldn't but Wrestlemania XXIX or XXX if it was a featured match. Strange because Taker's one of the greatest ever and Rock isn't BAD by any means in the ring (not the greatest, but cha know). HHH has had his share of opponents with bad main event chemistry as well, believe me :hhh





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Bret/Shawn don't have a single good match together.

Rock/Undertaker have a few. KOTR 99 and NWO 02 are both great. Wouldn't want a WM match between the two, but then again I wouldn't have expected HHH/Undertaker matches to be any good lol.



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BUT WHAT ABOUT THEIR KOTR 2002 MATCH DAMNIT ?!?!?!?!?!

You can't POSSIBLY tell me that their 2002 CLASSIC wasn't an indicator of how AWESOME the Wrestlemania XXVII and XXVIII matches could be ? :hhh

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cal ...... Top 3 most desired Taker Wrestlemania matches for XXIX ? Never heard your input on this (just automatically guessed Lesnar, Punk, and Cena) . Imagine if WWE trolls the shit out of us and has Taker-MIZ with Miz breaking the streak





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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

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Bret Hart vs The Undertaker ONO 1997 : **** 1/2 Bret's last CLASSIC
I disagree

Bret/Benoit Owen tribute is his last classic imo

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