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#17,621 ·
The only names that could remotely challenge HBK's position as Mr. WrestleMania are Taker, Bret and Savage IMO.
 
#17,623 ·
Ah yes, Undertaker. That's the guy I was referring to.

From a pure percentages standpoint it seems as if Shawn never had a BAD Wrestlemania match, with like 90 percent of them being over 3 stars IMO (haven't seen a few yet, well I have but I haven't REWATCHED it). Can't wait to dive into this discussion with some actual RATINGZ to back it up in a week. I'm not saying Shawn isn't Mr. Wrestlemania, I'm just saying that it's not an undisputed in the books fact.
 
#17,624 ·
TAKER HAS HAD MORE WM MATCHES THAN HBK THAT'S NOT FAIR
Taker has his fair share of duds and below average on his resume in the early to mid and even late 90s. I love Taker, but some of his WM matches...yuck. Not all his fault at all, but still, they happened.
Like TLK said, more matches. Which helps :p. Plus only 1 DUD imo. Though some of those early ones got 0 or 0.5 points only which didn't help his overall rating :p.
 
#17,626 ·
That's why I said it depends on what criteria you go by ; when it goes by percentages and shit it's CLEARLY Shawn and nobody else, but if you use an addition system without dividing than it's clearly Taker hands down. I've got a third criteria in mind for when I count down a top 10 to see just who the REAL Mr. Wrestlemania actually is.
 
#17,627 ·
Not really sure how Savage is getting included in this...Steamboat and Warrior matches were great, but that's really it...
Flair too. Hogan match is solid as well, some people like it a lot more though. But still, that's only 4 matches.

Edit: Undertaker is Mr WM for me currently for more than just match quality too. For the last decade his STREAK has been perhaps THE biggest part of WM, whether he was involved in a title match or not. His matches always have that special feeling regardless of his opponent, similar to HBK in that regard.
 
#17,629 ·
That's why I said it depends on what criteria you go by ; when it goes by percentages and shit it's CLEARLY Shawn and nobody else, but if you use an addition system without dividing than it's clearly Taker hands down. I've got a third criteria in mind for when I count down a top 10 to see just who the REAL Mr. Wrestlemania actually is.
I don't know. When I look at both guys' WM resumes, I see more quality matches on HBKs' resume than I do 'Taker's. And I see a pretty good amount of crap on Taker's resume. It's not even particularly close.
 
#17,630 ·
Flair too. Hogan match is solid as well, some people like it a lot more though. But still, that's only 4 matches.
Yeah, I quickly edited my post (obviously not quickly enough) to add the Flair match. The Hogan match was OK, but nothing on the level of the other 3. Then you get a bunch of other crap like vs. Steele, then the title tournament @ WM4, mixed tag @ WM6, etc etc.
 
#17,632 ·
And HBK has those terrible matches against the likes of Tatanka, Santana, Bret, Orient Express tag with Marty :p.

Both guys have some garbage early on in their WM careers.
The ironman match wasn't terrible. It wasn't 5 stars, but it wasn't crap, either. And the Santana and Tatanka matches were his first two singles WM matches. They still pale in comparison to Snuka, Roberts, Bossman, Bundy, Big Show and A-Train, Sid, Gonzalez, etc.
 
#17,633 ·
You cant really compare Taker and HBK's WM matches though, its not Taker's fault he got handed guys like Gonzalez etc early on whereas HBK had better people in general to work with, plus Taker was a victim of his own gimmick early on..

Two of my all time faves though of course. (HBK IN the ring)
 
#17,634 ·
Really don't see how it's between anyone but HBK and Taker. HHH has had some gems (vs Booker, triple threat @ 20, vs Cena, vs Taker x3, etc), but I still don't think it's on the level of HBK and Taker's resumes. Since WM23, Taker has arguably been involved in the best match on the card.
 
#17,637 ·
I don't know how I feel about Michaels/Angle. Would have to re-watch to see how it holds up. And Michaels/Jericho too. Always thought that was great but Jericho is by far the better guy in that match. Michaels/Flair needs another viewing too but right now I'd take that over Taker/Batista, Taker/Edge and Taker/Orton.
 
#17,639 ·
Best overall years for these guys:

HAITCH HAITCH HAITCH - 2000.
CEE ME PANK - 2011, I guess.
Randy MACHO MAN Savage - 87?
Bret Hart - 94 or 97.
KRIS BEN-U-AH - 2004 maybe? I get the feeling it could have been 06 had he not taken time off.
DA RAWK - Tough, he's a guy that, by all means, should have had better years than he did because he didn't stick around the whole year. 2001 probably.
DA UNDATAKAH - Shit....I could see 97, 07, mayyyyyybbe 08, 06 or 02. 08's probably a stretch since I don't like the Edge feud very much, but he had a great series with Show and a good bunch of TV matches I really like. Come to think of it I don't love his 02. Maybe I should watch stuff again.
JAWN CHENA - 07
Ric GOAT Flair - 85
SCSA - 01
HBK - 96, but I want to see the Rockers years again. (or in some cases, for the first time)
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#17,640 ·
Iron Man must be the most polarizing match of all time, haha. Don't know if I'd classify it as "garbage," but I'm also not sure if I'm willing to sit through it again in order to see if it's garbage.

I'd also like to rewatch HBK/Angle and HBK/Jericho. HBK/Flair I've seen numerous times and it has held up. Awesome match.
 
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