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#17,521 ·
For my sins, I've just sat through the elimination chamber match from December to Dismember, but I noticed something peculiar about the finish.

Just before Lashley hits the spear, Show lifts him for a powerslam and Tazz says "Show's going to hit him with Lesnar's own move!!". I know they tried to mould Lashley as the next Brock, so that little slip of the tongue made me smile.

As for the match itself, it's the worst chamber by a significant distance. A dysfunctional, disjointed, badly-paced mess that even talents like Show, Punk & RVD couldn't salvage it. It even had a hysterical Paul Heyman at ringside, which usually adds an interesting element (Brock vs Taker/Brock vs Hogan), but failed this time.
 
#17,522 ·
SD in 09 kinda reminded me of the SD Six days, where every night some guys would deliever great matches. ECW 09 is kinda the same - the roster may have not looked good on paper but the wrestling was superb.

Continuing my 2000-2012 PPV match project with two big names currently:

ALBERTO DEL RIO
1. vs. CM Punk, Survivor Series 2011 (****1/2)
2. vs. Christian, Extreme Rules 2011 (****1/4)
3. vs. CM Punk vs. The Miz, TLC 2011 (****)
4. vs. Kane vs. Edge vs. Rey Mysterio, TLC 2010 (****)
5. vs. John Cena vs. CM Punk, Hell In A Cell 2011 (****)
6. w/Team Ziggler vs. Team Foley, Survivor Series 2012 (****)
7. vs. Sheamus vs. Chris Jericho vs. Randy Orton, Over The Limit 2012 (***3/4)
8. 40-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2011 (***3/4)
9. vs. John Cena, Vengeance 2011 (***1/2)
10. vs. Edge, WrestleMania 27 (***1/2)
11. vs. Sheamus, Night Of Champions 2012 (***1/2)
12. vs. Rey Mysterio vs. The Miz vs. Jack Swagger vs. R-Truth vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Evan Bourne vs. Alex Riley, Money In The Bank
2011 (***1/2)
13. w/Team ADR vs. Team Rey, Survivor Series 2010 (***1/2)
14. w/Team Smackdown vs. Team Raw, Bragging Rights 2010 (***1/2)
15. vs. John Cena, Night Of Champions 2011 (***1/4)
16. vs. Randy Orton, Hell In A Cell 2012 (***)
17. w/The Awesome Truth vs. Rey Mysterio, John Morrison & Kofi Kingston, SummerSlam 2011 (***)
18. vs. Sheamus, SummerSlam 2012 (***)
19. vs. Kofi Kingston, Elimination Chamber 2011 (***)
20. vs. Sheamus, Money In The Bank 2012 (**3/4)
21. vs. The Big Show, Capitol Punishment 2011 (**3/4)
22. w/The Miz & The Brooklyn Brawler vs. 3MB, TLC 2012 (*3/4)
23. vs. CM Punk, SummerSlam 2011 (DUD)
Funny how Punk is ADR's best AND worst PPV opponent. And:

DANIEL BRYAN
1. vs. CM Punk, Over The Limit 2012 (****3/4)
2. vs. Sheamus, Extreme Rules 2012 (****3/4)
3. vs. Dolph Ziggler, Bragging Rights 2010 (****3/4)
4. w/Kane & Ryback vs. The Shield, TLC 2012 (****1/2)
5. vs. Sheamus vs. Kane vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Sin Cara vs. Heath Slater vs. Justin Gabriel, Money In The Bank 2011
(****1/2)
6. vs. CM Punk, Money In The Bank 2012 (****1/2)
7. w/Team WWE vs. The Nexus, SummerSlam 2010 (****1/4)
8. vs. CM Punk vs. Kane, No Way Out 2012 (****)
9. vs. Cody Rhodes vs. The Big Show vs. Wade Barrett vs. The Great Khali vs. Santino Marella, Elimination Chamber 2012 (****)
10. vs. The Miz vs. John Morrison, Hell In A Cell 2010 (****)
11. vs. The Miz, Night Of Champions 2010 (****)
12. w/Team Foley vs. Team Ziggler, SummerSlam 2012 (****)
13. vs. Wade Barrett, SummerSlam 2011 (***3/4)
14. 40-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2011 (***3/4)
15. vs. Ted DiBiase, Jr., Survivor Series 2010 (***1/2)
16. vs. Kane, SummerSlam 2012 (***1/4)
17. vs. The Big Show vs. Mark Henry, Royal Rumble 2012 (***)
18. vs. Sheamus, WrestleMania 27 (***)
19. w/Kane vs. The Rhodes Scholars, Hell In A Cell 2012 (**3/4)
20. w/Kane vs. R-Boom, Night Of Champions 2012 (**3/4)
21. vs. The Big Show, TLC 2011 (DUD)
22. vs. Sheamus, WrestleMania 28 (DUD)
Other than the Hell No title defenses and the less than 20 second debacles, D-Bry getting no under *** matches. DAT WORKRATE. :bryan
 
#17,523 ·
I swear everytime I post a review in here Cal disagrees with me on it, so I'm waiting for him to pop in and talk about how great that tag match was. :p I know he'll feel the same on Bret/Shawn though.

Hahaha. Del Rio vs. Barrett! What a contest!
Don't worry, I have never watched SS 92 in full. Only seen Bret/Shawn, which is like a 50% version of their Iron Man match... only WORSE.
 
#17,524 ·
Jack Swagger Vs Finlay - ECW 03/02/2009

Finlay is great early on. Not like he gets worst or anything, but SHUT UP. Swagger goes to the mat, Finlay counters him... but instead of staying in control, lets Swagger up. And then SLAPS him in the face in hopes of turning this into a brawl where he'll have the advantage. All the while he has a smile on his face.

Swagger is getting frustrated as fuck that old man Dave is OUT WRESTLING him. And for anyone aware of Finlay's past, it is by no means stupid or anything, like say, HBK out wrestling Kurt Angle on the mat :p. That match (WM) had a similar story to open, with HBK trying to frustrate Angle by out wrestling him... only here its actually believable because Finlay can hang with the best of them legitimately. And Swagger does an awesome job with his facials and body language and shit to show that Finlay is GETTING TO HIM. GOTTEN TO.

Transition into Swagger's control segment is sweet. Swagger manages to hit an Irish Whip into the corner, using his power which is something he DOES have over Finlay. Finlay crashes HARD into the middle turnbuckle, hiring his back and his arm. Looked painful, and Finlay really sells it, going so far as to call the referee over to check on him. I get far too giddy over shit like this lol :lmao.

In the end Hornswoggle gets some revenge for Swagger attacking him last week, and Finlay capitalises and is the FIRST person to beat Jack Swagger!

Great match. Opening part with Finlay out wrestling Swagger looked great, transition spot was awesome, and Swagger did great on offence. Just behind the Swagger/Hardy match for me as far as ECW MOTY goes.

Rating: ***3/4
 
#17,526 ·
Just a quick question, was there any mention of Goldberg/Lesnar on the Raw after WMXX?

Not expecting a minutes silence or anything lol...
Don't think so. They would have been too busy discussing the controversy in the WHC match where nobody won and the title disappeared and wouldn't come back until SummerSlam when Orton finds it in a bin.
 
#17,527 ·
For my sins, I've just sat through the elimination chamber match from December to Dismember, but I noticed something peculiar about the finish.

Just before Lashley hits the spear, Show lifts him for a powerslam and Tazz says "Show's going to hit him with Lesnar's own move!!". I know they tried to mould Lashley as the next Brock, so that little slip of the tongue made me smile.

As for the match itself, it's the worst chamber by a significant distance. A dysfunctional, disjointed, badly-paced mess that even talents like Show, Punk & RVD couldn't salvage it. It even had a hysterical Paul Heyman at ringside, which usually adds an interesting element (Brock vs Taker/Brock vs Hogan), but failed this time.
Test's elbow drop off the Chamber to RVD onto a chair being the highlight of the match.

 
#17,530 ·
Holy fucking God, was this difficult to compete. I don't think the number will be topped - Kane competed in ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE PPV matches from 2000 through 2012. Wow. BEHOLD THE LIST:

1. w/Team WWF vs. Team Alliance, Survivor Series 2001 (*****)
2. vs. Triple H vs. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Booker T vs. Rob Van Dam, Survivor Series 2002 (****3/4)
3. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2001 (****1/2)
4. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2004 (****1/2)
5. vs. Edge vs. Rey Mysterio vs. The Big Show vs. Wade Barrett vs. Drew McIntyre, Elimination Chamber 2011 (****1/2)
6. w/Daniel Bryan & Ryback vs. The Shield, TLC 2012 (****1/2)
7. vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Christian, WrestleMania 21 (****1/2)
8. vs. John Cena vs. Edge vs. Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Mike Knox, No Way Out 2009 (****1/2)
9. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2002 (****1/2)
10. vs. Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Sin Cara vs. Heath Slater vs. Justin Gabriel, Money In The Bank 2011 (****1/2)
11. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2007 (****1/2)
12. vs. Chris Benoit, Bad Blood 2004 (****1/4)
13. vs. Kofi Kingston vs. The Big Show vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Christian vs. Matt Hardy vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Drew McIntyre, Money In The Bank 2010 (****1/4)
14. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2010 (****1/4)
15. vs. Edge vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Alberto Del Rio, TLC 2010 (****)
16. w/Team Raw vs. Team Smackdown, Survivor Series 2005 (****)
17. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2005 (****)
18. vs. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan, No Way Out 2012 (****)
19. w/Team Foley vs. Team Ziggler, Survivor Series 2012 (****)
20. w/The Undertaker vs. The Two Man Powertrip, Backlash 2001 (****)
21. w/Team Orton vs. Team Kofi, Survivor Series 2009 (***3/4)
22. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2008 (***3/4)
23. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2006 (***3/4)
24. w/Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho & Kurt Angle vs. Booker T, DDP, The Dudley Boyz & Rhyno, Invasion 2001
(***3/4)
25. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2009 (***3/4)
26. 40-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2011 (***3/4)
27. vs. MVP vs. CM Punk vs. Mark Henry vs. Christian vs. Finlay vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Kofi Kingston, WrestleMania 25 (***3/4)
28. vs. The Rock vs. The Undertaker vs. Chris Benoit, Unforgiven 2000 (***1/2)
29. vs. Drew McIntyre vs. Christian vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Matt Hardy vs. Jack Swagger vs. MVP vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Evan Bourne, WrestleMania 26 (***1/2)
30. vs. Raven vs. The Big Show, WrestleMania 17 (***1/2)
31. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2000 (***1/2)
32. vs. Randy Orton, Extreme Rules 2012 (***1/2)
33. vs. Edge, Vengeance 2005 (***1/2)
34. vs. John Cena vs. Chris Jericho vs. The Big Show vs. The Miz, Money In The Bank 2012 (***1/2)
35. vs. The Great Khali vs. Batista, The Great American Bash 2007 (***1/2)
36. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2003 (***1/2)
37. w/Team HHH vs. Team Umaga, Survivor Series 2007 (***1/2)
38. vs. Snitsky, Taboo Tuesday 2004 (***1/2)
39. vs. Triple H, Judgment Day 2001 (***1/2)
40. vs. Daniel Bryan, SummerSlam 2012 (***1/4)
41. vs. Rey Mysterio, SummerSlam 2010 (***1/4)
42. w/Team JBL vs. Team HBK, Survivor Series 2008 (***1/4)
43. w/Booker T, Bubba Ray Dudley & Goldust vs. William Regal & The Un-Americans, Unforgiven 2002 (***1/4)
44. vs. Chris Jericho, Armageddon 2000 (***1/4)
45. vs. Triple H, No Mercy 2002 (***1/4)
46. vs. Shawn Michaels, Unforgiven 2004 (***1/4)
47. w/The Undertaker vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. E&C, No Way Out 2001 (***1/4)
48. vs. Kurt Angle, WrestleMania 18 (***1/4)
49. w/The Big Show vs. Batista & Rey Mysterio, Armageddon 2005 (***1/4)
50. w/Team Smackdown vs. Team Raw, Bragging Rights 2009 (***)
51. vs. Rey Mysterio, No Mercy 2008 (***)
52. vs. Edge, Backlash 2004 (***)
53. vs. CM Punk, Backlash 2009 (***)
54. vs. Goldberg vs. Triple H, Armageddon 2003 (***)
55. Battle Royal, Judgment Day 2003 (***)
56. vs. Randy Orton, WrestleMania 28 (***)
57. vs. Booker T, No Way Out 2007 (***)
58. vs. Test, No Mercy 2001 (***)
59. w/Rob Van Dam vs. The Dudley Boyz, Backlash 2003 (***)
60. vs. Shane McMahon, Unforgiven 2003 (***)
61. vs. Drew McIntyre, Elimination Chamber 2010 (***)
62. vs. Chris Jericho vs. JBL vs. Batista vs. Rey Mysterio, Unforgiven 2008 (***)
63. vs. John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle vs. Carlito vs. Chris Masters, New Year's Revolution 2006 (**3/4)
64. vs. Rey Mysterio, Cyber Sunday 2008 (**3/4)
65. vs. Finlay, SummerSlam 2007 (**3/4)
66. w/Daniel Bryan vs. The Rhodes Scholars, Hell In A Cell 2012 (**3/4)
67. w/Daniel Bryan vs. R-Boom, Night Of Champions 2012 (**3/4)
68. vs. The Undertaker, Night Of Champions 2010 (**3/4)
69. vs. Rob Van Dam, SummerSlam 2003 (**3/4)
70. w/CM Punk vs. The Miz & John Morrison, Judgment Day 2008 (**3/4)
71. vs. Umaga, Unforgiven 2006 (**3/4)
72. vs. Chris Jericho, Survivor Series 2000 (**3/4)
73. vs. Shane McMahon, Survivor Series 2003 (**3/4)
74. vs. John Cena, Elimination Chamber 2012 (**3/4)
75. w/Rob Van Dam vs. William Regal & Lance Storm, No Way Out 2003 (**3/4)
76. w/CM Punk vs. Mark Henry & Big Daddy V, Armageddon 2007 (**3/4)
77. w/The Big Show vs. Carlito & Chris Masters, WrestleMania 22 (**1/2)
78. vs. MVP, Armageddon 2006 (**1/2)
79. vs. Chavo Guerrero, Backlash 2008 (**1/2)
80. w/The Big Show vs. The Dudley Boyz, Vengeance 2001 (**1/2)
81. w/Spike Dudley vs. The Dudley Boyz, King Of The Ring 2001 (**1/2)
82. w/The Big Show vs. CM Punk & Mason Ryan, Over The Limit 2011 (**1/2)
83. vs. The Big Show vs. Mark Henry, Night Of Champions 2008 (**1/4)
84. vs. Snitsky, New Year's Revolution 2005 (**1/4)
85. vs. X-Pac, No Way Out 2000 (**1/4)
86. w/The Big Show vs. Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch, Taboo Tuesday 2005 (**1/4)
87. vs. Zack Ryder, Over The Limit 2012 (**1/4)
88. vs. The Undertaker, WrestleMania 20 (**)
89. vs. The Undertaker, Bragging Rights 2010 (**)
90. vs. Chris Jericho, Rebellion 2000 (**)
91. vs. Matt Hardy, Vengeance 2004 (**)
92. w/The Big Show vs. Wade Barrett & Ezekiel Jackson, Extreme Rules 2011 (**)
93. vs. Matt Hardy, SummerSlam 2004 (*3/4)
94. w/Rob Van Dam vs. La Resistance, Bad Blood 2003 (*3/4)
95. vs. John Cena, Royal Rumble 2012 (*3/4)
96. vs. The Undertaker, SummerSlam 2000 (*1/4)
97. w/Team Cena vs. Team Show, Survivor Series 2006 (*)
98. vs. The Undertaker, Hell In A Cell 2010 (*)
99. vs. The Great Khali, Breaking Point 2009 (*)
100. w/The Undertaker vs. DDP & Chris Kanyon, SummerSlam 2001 (*)
101. vs. Edge, Survivor Series 2010 (3/4*)
102. vs. MVP, Cyber Sunday 2007 (3/4*)
103. w/The Rock & The Undertaker vs. Triple H & The McMahons, King Of The Ring 2000 (3/4*)
104. vs. Fake Kane, Vengeance 2006 (3/4*)
105. vs. Umaga, Cyber Sunday 2006 (3/4*)
106. vs. Batista, Armageddon 2002 (1/2*)
107. vs. Rey Mysterio, Money In The Bank 2010 (1/4*)
108. vs. The Great Khali, SummerSlam 2009 (1/4*)
109. vs. Viscera, Backlash 2005 (1/4*)
110. w/Rikishi vs. DX, WrestleMania 16 (1/4*)
111. vs. Chavo Guerrero, WrestleMania 24 (DUD)
112. vs. Mark Henry, One Night Stand 2007 (DUD)
113. vs. Bull Buchanan, Insurrextion 2000 (DUD)
114. w/The Big Show, Kofi Kingston & Santino Marella vs. The Corre, WrestleMania 27 (DUD)
115. vs. The Big Show, Backlash 2006 (DUD)
116. vs. The Great Khali, WrestleMania 23 (DUD)
117. w/The Undertaker vs. KroniK, Unforgiven 2001 (DUD)
Poor guy had no more than 7 DUD's, but still, could be far worse. :kane
 
#17,531 ·
His match with Khali fromWM 23 was decent. *3/4 rating I'll say
 
#17,533 ·
There's one DUD and one 1/4* match on your list that I have closer to *** :lmao. I like Kane more than other people tend to though.
I would have assumed it was the Chavo squash @ Mania XXIV which you gave ***** on your 437th watch. :lol

In terms of bad chamber matches, D2D isn't even the worst chamber match in 2006 :p .
 
#17,535 · (Edited)
Chavo Guerrero vs Kurt "WRESTLING MACHINE" Angle in a STEEL CAGE match. GOAT match. Eight stars.

On a HAPPIER note, Wrestlemania X-8 STARZ plz. :)
 
#17,536 ·
Just a quick question, was there any mention of Goldberg/Lesnar on the Raw after WMXX?

Not expecting a minutes silence or anything lol...
You wanna ask about Raw/SD episodes from the RA era, I'm always here to answer. :)

I don't recall anything about Goldberg being said but on Smackdown, GM Paul Heyman announced at the start of the show that Lesnar was no longer part of the SD roster which the stupid crowd cheered. I understand he's a heel, but his departure was a disaster, dammit!
 
#17,538 ·
Watching Mania 18 now and just got through with the first two matches, pretty impressed thus far I must say.

When going back and watching/reviewing all of these Wrestlemanias I stumbled upon perhaps the most overrated show of all time, and as a matter of fact it's universally considered to be a top 5 MANIA amongst the casuals when literally 90 percent of it sucks balls.

I still can't get over the fact that Rock is the WWE champion, I seriously can't wait for Cena to end this nightmare once and for all....

58 Days ? Is that what it is ?

Who would have thought that CENA of all people would save us FFS. :cena2
 
#17,539 ·
Watching Mania 18 now and just got through with the first two matches, pretty impressed thus far I must say.

When going back and watching/reviewing all of these Wrestlemanias I stumbled upon perhaps the most overrated show of all time, and as a matter of fact it's universally considered to be a top 5 MANIA amongst the casuals when literally 90 percent of it sucks balls.

I still can't get over the fact that Rock is the WWE champion, I seriously can't wait for Cena to end this nightmare once and for all....

58 Days ? Is that what it is ?

Who would have thought that CENA of all people would save us FFS. :cena2
Get ready for Cena to beat Punk numerous times after he wins the title. Cena coming to collect his wins back. Time to pay up, Punker. :cena3
 
#17,540 ·
I realized that had to come someday. The ultimate preference would be to keep these two away from each other until Wrestlemania XXX somehow with Cena coming out on top there in a unification match (seriously isn't that farfetched at ALL), but I'm calling a Cena win @ the Chicago PPV in June and I'll be back to screaming "FUCK YOU CENA" very loudly at my television screen.

Ever since ROCK came back in 2011 I feel like I've joined the dark side ; rooting for Cena at every single PPV besides his obvious bouts with guys like Punk and Lesnar. I don't care if Cena holds that thing for two years to be honest, as long as he beats Rock @ Wrestlemania XXIX. It's his year, and I feel all the Rock marks should accept it by now :)

Everything leads back to :cena2 .
 
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