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Fabulous Ones vs. The Moondogs, Stretcher Match, Memphis (5/2/83)



Incredible brawl which examplifies what the Memphis style is all about. Unlike the WWE version of this match the aim here is to incapacitate your opponent to the point where it becomes obvious he requires a stretcher to leave the arena. It goes around 10 minutes but they just beat the piss out of each other with some tremendous looking punches, a ton of great bumping and selling from the Moondogs in particular, a really fun and engaging Stane Lane FIP spell when he gets cut from the Moondogs assault and a great hot tag to Keirn which eventually leads to a terrific finish.

Match is just punching and kicking but when you have guys as good as these are at brawling that's all you need to work a compelling match that both advances the feud and keeps the crowd entertained. Both teams get over the hatred with little touches in the brawling, such as both teams biting the cut of their opponents and spitting the blood in the air for extra measure. In 10 minutes they get across the sense of hatred and chaotic brawling better than most 20 minute hardcore matches can hope to accomplish, namely because the actual brawling is so great they're not relying on a bunch of props to get over the feud. Finish comes when Keirn gets distracted by Jimmy Hart and gets hung in between the top and middle rope, and eventually when Lane's attempts to free him prove unsuccessful the match is ended with Lane and the ref concerned Keirn needs medical assistance. Post match drama with Lane fighting the Moondogs off long enough to desperately free his partner from grave harm and then having to defend his lifeless body on the floor with a steel chair as both Moondogs circle him was amazing and developed the feud in such remarkable fashion. Definitely lived up to the hype this match has.
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Fabs v Moondogs is one of the best feuds ever that no one talks about. Stan Lane is an ENORMOUSLY underrated wrestler. The Moondogs fucking rule and I wish more than anything that all of the Moondogs v Jarrett/Lawler matches from 92 were available in full. The one (two?) that IS in full is awesome.

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Undertaker's performance in that match is magnificent. It may be my favorite single performance from him ever. I love how he sold the leg injury and the frustration after Michaels kicked out of the Tombstone, how Michaels used finishers from his past Mania opponents, and the actual finish is perfect.
I've always really liked Taker's selling through his whole career and whoever spouts "he no sells b/c he's a zombie" is wrong, but starting around 2006 he just decided to become this borderline world class seller. Michaels matches were no exception.

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Yeah, Dolph/Cena from the house show tonight was nothing special. In fact, not one match was anything worth talking about. Punk/Ryback was just OK and ended in a mass roster brawl. MOTN I'd give to Hell No/Rhodes Scholars based purely on the fact that it was a lot of fun. Everything else was pretty missable. Dolph/Cena had an excellent last 5 minutes with a lot of false finished but for the majority of the match they did fuck all else and were obviously holding back. For what, I don't know but I doubt they were going at this full power.

I guess that's it really lol. Nothing to report unfortunately.

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Fabs v Moondogs is one of the best feuds ever that no one talks about. Stan Lane is an ENORMOUSLY underrated wrestler. The Moondogs fucking rule and I wish more than anything that all of the Moondogs v Jarrett/Lawler matches from 92 were available in full. The one (two?) that IS in full is awesome.
Oh man, I'm definitely going to hunt for that match. Sounds awesome.

Yeah Lane always delivers, nice to see him work face when generally I'd associate him as a great heel in the Midnight Express. I hear his karate schtick can be generally divisive but it doesn't bother me that much. Think I just associate some more gimmicky aspects of wrestling to be prominent in the 80s and stuff like that doesn't irk me, same as when Steamboat busts out his karate offence. Both have enough attributes for the schtick to not matter too much. Plus for every poor kick Lane will land the odd beauty, thought he had a couple of decent kicks in the Moondogs match when he was building to the hot tag.
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Lawler/Jarrett v Moondogs:
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TV14 with no logo blurring, censoring and over 8 hours of footage! November 20th!



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Are the matches worth checking out on The John Cena experience?
I wouldn't buy it but Cena/Lashley GAB 07, Cena/Hunter NOC 08, and Cena/Hunter/Shawn SSeries 09 are worth checking out. I haven't watched Orton/Cena SSlam 07 in years so I'll have to re-watch that myself.

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I would assume it will be since they no longer blur the logo or censor the letters WWF in the Classics On Demand programing. That reminds me, I recently re-watched Rock vs. Austin from the night after Survivor Series '98 and man is the crowd insanely HOT in this entertaining TV brawl. I wouldn't mind if that made the set, or the match they had on the go home Raw for WM14 that year too.


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Overrated/Underrated : Survivor Series

This is a concept that I employ through various projects, where I basically take all the matches of a given subject and give 3 matches that I feel are overrated, as well as 3 matches that I think are underrated. Since we're in that Survivor Series kind of year, I thought that we should go and take a look at three overrated/three underrated : Survivor Series Edition. (Note : Unlike all of my other lists/projects, I haven't rewatched every single match I'm about to list and they are COMPLETELY based off of previous watchings and subsequent ratings, but I digress.... LET IT BEGIN!)


3 Underrated

3. Triple H vs Steve Austin : Survivor Series 2000

YEAH I know, "Trips mark being a homer again" , but honestly this match wasn't that bad, and it gets more shit than ANY main event match I've ever seen due to it's ending. Yeah, the ending was stupid I get it, but for somebody to point at this match and say "DURRR, DUMB" but love the 3SOH match and give it ***** is kind of hypocritical. This is a messy , 99-esque brawl that takes place a year ahead of it's time, but at the same time, it's extremely entertaining for what it's worth. I'd be willing to throw *** at it for sure.

2. Shelton Benjamin vs Christian : Survivor Series 2004

This match doesn't get thrown into the mix when we hear "best of 2004" , but I felt it was just a great fucking match between a guy in the midst of his breakout when he was just consistently GREAT in the ring (Benjamin) and a guy who should have gotten more credit for his brilliant character at this point. This was pacing 101, as these two went out there and never missed a beat in one of my favorite Survivor Series's ever ; 2004. Willing to throw a whole **** at it, a distinction that not alot of lower card E' matches get.. SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE OPENER.

1. The Undertaker vs Vince Mcmahon (Buried Alive) : Survivor Series 2003

YEAH YEAH YEAH I know, everybody probably hates this pick. I'm just going to go out on record and say this ; I dare you to go watch all the pre match interviews, with the intensity delivered by Taker claiming that he was basically going to KILL Vince. You really get a sense that Vince is PAYING for his crimes throughout the match, as both of these guys make the story they are attempting to convey shine. The Bladejob and the ending only put the icing on this SEVERELY underrated cake. *** 1/4-*** 1/2 from me honestly. This is fucking great DAMNIT.


Three Overrated

3. Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels : Survivor Series 1992

Let me just start off by saying that I don't think this match is bad AT ALL, and as a matter of fact I think this match is pretty damn great and would place it at *** 1/2. I've seen it so many times now that in dissecting it, I can tell you that IT IS NOT A CLASSIC. There are far too many early match holds and such which amount to absolutely nothing in the grand scope of the match, which really saddens me because you have these two great workers and the best match you can get out of them has a screwy ending 5 years later. I've seen MANY individuals give this **** 1/2 , which is just criminal and exactly the reason why I list it here.

2. The Undertaker vs Hulk Hogan : Survivor Series 1991

To give this match a ** 1/2 like most people would be doing it too much justice. This is FAR less than what Taker and Hogan are normally capable of, but this was essentially just a basic match. That's about it, sure it has historical significance, but that doesn't make it great at all. Really slow, plodding action that had me uninterested everytime (which is weird because I'm actually a BIG fan of their JD 02 match). Hell, I even like the TTIT rematch more, and that's saying something. Would throw out a * 1/2 for this and nothing more.

1. The Rock vs Mankind : Survivor Series 1998

Top 10 Mick Foley Matches. Top 10 Matches in Survivor Series History. Top 10 Rock Matches. Those are a few of the lists that featured this particular match on it, but you see there's one huge problem with that.... THIS MATCH IS BAD. Rock marks love to jizz to this match all the time, but honestly the structure is terrible, it's a poor man's russo-esque WM IV main event match on one of the worst PPV's ever during one of the worst times for match ratings in company history. The match is sloppy, uninspired, and just plain BAD. * 3/4 from me, just awful.


Personal Favorite SS Match Ever : Team Raw vs Team Smackdown (Survivor Series 2005) / Triple H vs Ric Flair (Survivor Series 2005)

Personal Favorite SS Event Ever : 2005 or 1996

Least Favorite SS Match Ever : Randy Orton vs Wade Barrett (Survivor Series 2010)

Least Favorite SS Event Ever : 1998


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I think the Taker/Hogan and Rock/Mankind matches are highly significant WWF Title matches in the history of Survivor Series which is probably why they get the attention they receive after all of these years. I agree neither is an all time quality worked match but if we are talking history they should be mentioned.

As for favorite Survivor Series event overall, my favorite is 2002. I loved the card from top to bottom. The 1st ever Elimination Chamber is one of the most anticipated matches for me at the time. I was literally shaking with excitement when as the time came closer to the match starting. Love the video package of the main event, Triple H gave one of his best promos ever imo, the match lived up to the hype, and Shawn Michaels one the World Title for the final time in his career. Not to mention the show took place at Madison Square Garden and the atmosphere all night was awesome.


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